VERY DISCOURAGING

[ghostdog]

Theirs allot of beginners on here that ask questions or need some c&c from a supposed pro and all they get is sarcastic idiotic comments. We are asking for the constructive criticism . So please be more compassionate and help if you can or just keep your sarcastic unnecessary comments to your self. let me make sure i clarify I am ok with negative comments ,cause obviously if the pic is not great or good i want to know so i could fix it and learn from it . Thanks for your time

I know sometimes smart answers are given but mostly these are given due the same questions being asked over and over. There is a search forum that many don't seem to use. Most here that take the time to comment will more than likely give helpful advise. Having said this if you posted last week that you are not sure how to take your new $3000 camera out of the box, but this week want advise on how to charge $3000 to successfully do a wedding with one lens and the auto setting you are lining yourself up for smart comments. Also just as in day to day life there are nice people and people that are not so nice

And i get what your saying ,but in shape or form i have said i was a pro , and yes there are allot of nice people that have said in a nice critical way that my pics are bad and i don't have a problem with that ,that motivates me more and pushes me more ,i am talking about the unnecessary things that don't need to be said cause they have nothing to do with the pic .

Guys, the OP is not referring to harsh criticism. She's clear when she mentions "sarcastic" and "idiotic" comments which are no longer constructive. I have seen quite a few of the OP's posts and I have seen her respond well to harsh criticism. She's taken her strong medicine gracefully and keeps coming back. That said, I have seen plenty of snide, nonsense responses aimed at her and plenty of others on this forum which are just counterproductive. These types of responses are often cut-and-run, and offer no solution. It's sophomoric. This behavior will always be rationalized and justified and there's no sense of arguing with it. It's not just this forum, it's all forums. It doesn't matter if it's photography, motorcycles, politics, software development, whatever), people who feel they are elite will behave a certain way. Those who want to be part of the elite will turn a blind eye, mimic, and sell out their own identity, to be part of the majority. It will always be this way. My fair response to the OP is simply this: some people are just jerks, some don't know how to handle or respond to being placed on a pedestal, and some otherwise good people, may condone and follow suite for all sorts of reasons. An internet forum will behave with group mentality, and in most cases this behavior is completely different than if it were not a group. It's human nature, so try and ignore it this angry and irrational part of human nature, just as I will ignore the harsh responses to my post here.

 

[dphotography]

and for those trying to correct my grammar .i'am sometimes rushing , like right about know gotta get off and get my lil guy ready for soccer ... plus dinner ..so i'am sorry if its not perfect ..sometime i multitask too many things..and its not like i am gonna find a real job here or i am speaking to the president and to the older people that r offended i am sorry i dont mean anything by it

 

[The_Traveler]

Theirs allot of beginners on here that ask questions or need some c&c from a supposed pro and all they get is sarcastic idiotic comments. We are asking for the constructive criticism . So please be more compassionate and help if you can or just keep your sarcastic unnecessary comments to your self. let me make sure i clarify I am ok with negative comments ,cause obviously if the pic is not great or good i want to know so i could fix it and learn from it . Thanks for your time

I know sometimes smart answers are given but mostly these are given due the same questions being asked over and over. There is a search forum that many don't seem to use. Most here that take the time to comment will more than likely give helpful advise. Having said this if you posted last week that you are not sure how to take your new $3000 camera out of the box, but this week want advise on how to charge $3000 to successfully do a wedding with one lens and the auto setting you are lining yourself up for smart comments. Also just as in day to day life there are nice people and people that are not so nice

And i get what your saying ,but in shape or form i have said i was a pro , and yes there are allot of nice people that have said in a nice critical way that my pics are bad and i don't have a problem with that ,that motivates me more and pushes me more ,i am talking about the unnecessary things that don't need to be said cause they have nothing to do with the pic .

I didn't read what other people have written so this may be redundant.
I like to know that I am responding to someone who takes photography seriously. Often there isn't much to measure them by - except the little text that accompanies the posted image.
When I see text that is badly written, misspelled and uncorrected, I get the impression that the person doesn't care about how they present themselves - and by extension - may not care much about the bits and pieces of what makes a photo good.

I'm not saying that I expect perfection but at least some effort at conforming to the general expectations of adult discourse.

As anyone , who has ever done any hiring, will tell you, a good resume gets you in the door.
That may be totally wrong on my part - but I just won't bother if you won't bother.

 

[jowensphoto]

The only thing worse than making smart ass remarks on internet forums is complaining about the people who do.

Just sayin'.

 

[ghostdog]

The only thing worse than making smart ass remarks on internet forums is complaining about the people who do.

Just sayin'.

What's worse is jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[paigew]

and for those trying to correct my grammar .i'am sometimes rushing , like right about know gotta get off and get my lil guy ready for soccer ... plus dinner ..so i'am sorry if its not perfect ..sometime i multitask too many things..and its not like i am gonna find a real job here or i am speaking to the president and to the older people that r offended i am sorry i dont mean anything by it

I am also a mother and often times I am typing with one hand while nursing my babe to sleep. So yes, I see what you mean about not always having perfect grammar, etc. But IMO there is a difference between that and pure laziness (i.e "allot" instead of A LOT, i'am instead of I'm or I am). Honestly, not trying to sound ugly or rude, but if you do not have the intelligence to know the difference between i'am and I'm, it is going to be hard for you to understand how to properly use your camera. To be completely self taught (as I am) is very challenging and requires you to allot a much time into studying and learning. While shooting in manual mode you use many skills; mathematics being a huge one. If one cannot simply write a few sentences correctly in the start of a thread (for c&c) why should we waste our time giving it? The way I view it, if you are not literate it will be very hard to understand how to use a camera. Why waste my time critiquing a photo when the thread starter can't even spell?

 

[jowensphoto]

The only thing worse than making smart ass remarks on internet forums is complaining about the people who do.

Just sayin'.

What's worse is jumping on the bandwagon.

And now you expect me to be hypocritical and complain about your snarky response. You're good... but not good enough, my friend.

 

[ghostdog]

and for those trying to correct my grammar .i'am sometimes rushing , like right about know gotta get off and get my lil guy ready for soccer ... plus dinner ..so i'am sorry if its not perfect ..sometime i multitask too many things..and its not like i am gonna find a real job here or i am speaking to the president and to the older people that r offended i am sorry i dont mean anything by it

I am also a mother and often times I am typing with one hand while nursing my babe to sleep. So yes, I see what you mean about not always having perfect grammar, etc. But IMO there is a difference between that and pure laziness (i.e "allot" instead of A LOT, i'am instead of I'm or I am). Honestly, not trying to sound ugly or rude, but if you do not have the intelligence to know the difference between i'am and I'm, it is going to be hard for you to understand how to properly use your camera. To be completely self taught (as I am) is very challenging and requires you to allot a much time into studying and learning. While shooting in manual mode you use many skills; mathematics being a huge one. If one cannot simply write a few sentences correctly in the start of a thread (for c&c) why should we waste our time giving it? The way I view it, if you are not literate it will be very hard to understand how to use a camera. Why waste my time critiquing a photo when the thread starter can't even spell?

Yet you spend this much time and energy criticizing her spelling and grammar. I don't get it. You feel this strongly about her posts, just move on and ignore it. No one is demanding that you respond with anything. I'm sorry, but you contradict yourself and what you're posting here makes very little sense.

 

[jowensphoto]

and for those trying to correct my grammar .i'am sometimes rushing , like right about know gotta get off and get my lil guy ready for soccer ... plus dinner ..so i'am sorry if its not perfect ..sometime i multitask too many things..and its not like i am gonna find a real job here or i am speaking to the president and to the older people that r offended i am sorry i dont mean anything by it

I am also a mother and often times I am typing with one hand while nursing my babe to sleep. So yes, I see what you mean about not always having perfect grammar, etc. But IMO there is a difference between that and pure laziness (i.e "allot" instead of A LOT, i'am instead of I'm or I am). Honestly, not trying to sound ugly or rude, but if you do not have the intelligence to know the difference between i'am and I'm, it is going to be hard for you to understand how to properly use your camera. To be completely self taught (as I am) is very challenging and requires you to allot a much time into studying and learning. While shooting in manual mode you use many skills; mathematics being a huge one. If one cannot simply write a few sentences correctly in the start of a thread (for c&c) why should we waste our time giving it? The way I view it, if you are not literate it will be very hard to understand how to use a camera. Why waste my time critiquing a photo when the thread starter can't even spell?

Yet you spend this much time and energy criticizing her spelling and grammar. I don't get it. You feel this strongly about her posts, just move on and ignore it. No one is demanding that you respond with anything. I'm sorry, but you contradict yourself and what you're posting here makes very little sense.

And you spend this much time defending someone you don't know. I don't get it.

Forgive me, boring day at work. Thankfully, it's quittin' time

 

[dphotography]

I know sometimes smart answers are given but mostly these are given due the same questions being asked over and over. There is a search forum that many don't seem to use. Most here that take the time to comment will more than likely give helpful advise. Having said this if you posted last week that you are not sure how to take your new $3000 camera out of the box, but this week want advise on how to charge $3000 to successfully do a wedding with one lens and the auto setting you are lining yourself up for smart comments. Also just as in day to day life there are nice people and people that are not so nice

And i get what your saying ,but in shape or form i have said i was a pro , and yes there are allot of nice people that have said in a nice critical way that my pics are bad and i don't have a problem with that ,that motivates me more and pushes me more ,i am talking about the unnecessary things that don't need to be said cause they have nothing to do with the pic .

Guys, the OP is not referring to harsh criticism. She's clear when she mentions "sarcastic" and "idiotic" comments which are no longer constructive. I have seen quite a few of the OP's posts and I have seen her respond well to harsh criticism. She's taken her strong medicine gracefully and keeps coming back. That said, I have seen plenty of snide, nonsense responses aimed at her and plenty of others on this forum which are just counterproductive. These types of responses are often cut-and-run, and offer no solution. It's sophomoric. This behavior will always be rationalized and justified and there's no sense of arguing with it. It's not just this forum, it's all forums. It doesn't matter if it's photography, motorcycles, politics, software development, whatever), people who feel they are elite will behave a certain way. Those who want to be part of the elite will turn a blind eye, mimic, and sell out their own identity, to be part of the majority. It will always be this way. My fair response to the OP is simply this: some people are just jerks, some don't know how to handle or respond to being placed on a pedestal, and some otherwise good people, may condone and follow suite for all sorts of reasons. An internet forum will behave with group mentality, and in most cases this behavior is completely different than if it were not a group. It's human nature, so try and ignore it this angry and irrational part of human nature, just as I will ignore the harsh responses to my post here.

Thank YOU ...FINALLY SOME ONE GETS IT...

 

[paigew]

and for those trying to correct my grammar .i'am sometimes rushing , like right about know gotta get off and get my lil guy ready for soccer ... plus dinner ..so i'am sorry if its not perfect ..sometime i multitask too many things..and its not like i am gonna find a real job here or i am speaking to the president and to the older people that r offended i am sorry i dont mean anything by it

I am also a mother and often times I am typing with one hand while nursing my babe to sleep. So yes, I see what you mean about not always having perfect grammar, etc. But IMO there is a difference between that and pure laziness (i.e "allot" instead of A LOT, i'am instead of I'm or I am). Honestly, not trying to sound ugly or rude, but if you do not have the intelligence to know the difference between i'am and I'm, it is going to be hard for you to understand how to properly use your camera. To be completely self taught (as I am) is very challenging and requires you to allot a much time into studying and learning. While shooting in manual mode you use many skills; mathematics being a huge one. If one cannot simply write a few sentences correctly in the start of a thread (for c&c) why should we waste our time giving it? The way I view it, if you are not literate it will be very hard to understand how to use a camera. Why waste my time critiquing a photo when the thread starter can't even spell?

Yet you spend this much time and energy criticizing her spelling and grammar. I don't get it. You feel this strongly about her posts, just move on and ignore it. No one is demanding that you respond with anything. I'm sorry, but you contradict yourself and what you're posting here makes very little sense.

dude I wrote like 5 sentences...hardly a lot of time. And I am not criticizing her grammar per say. I am answering her original question. What did I say that doesn't make sense to you? When I see a post that is composed like a 7 year old wrote it, I assume the op is not educated and do not respond. I assume others feel this way too?

 

[Overread18 6]

Remember sarcasm is popular on the net even though most people fail to convey it as such and many fail to read it -- thus sometimes comments feel more harsh/mocking than they are intended to be (this is doubly tricky because it normally affects new people more as they don't have the prior history with the people to know that they are just joking and not mocking/insulting).


Also I still strongly suggest the thread I referenced earlier - present a serious thread and people will respond in kind

 

[gsgary]

Remember sarcasm is popular on the net even though most people fail to convey it as such and many fail to read it -- thus sometimes comments feel more harsh/mocking than they are intended to be (this is doubly tricky because it normally affects new people more as they don't have the prior history with the people to know that they are just joking and not mocking/insulting).




Also I still strongly suggest the thread I referenced earlier - present a serious thread and people will respond in kind

I think you will be back later to lock this thread

 

[LuckySe7en]

If some of you put half as much effort into your photography as you have into this thread, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


:hug::

 

[bentcountershaft]

Remember sarcasm is popular on the net even though most people fail to convey it as such and many fail to read it -- thus sometimes comments feel more harsh/mocking than they are intended to be (this is doubly tricky because it normally affects new people more as they don't have the prior history with the people to know that they are just joking and not mocking/insulting).

What about when I want to be sarcastic AND mocking/insulting at the same time? I feel like I can pull off both if I put my mind to it. I haven't dedicated much time lately to finding myself worthy candidates for such specialized treatment but I'll get around to it.