Well That Was Interesting.......NOT

[smoke665]

I spent the weekend fighting with a slllllllloooooooowwwww Lightroom trying to edit. Throw in a few crazy unexplained maneuvers, and it made for a bad time. Today I just happened to notice on my task bar that an update from NVIDIA was available. Sure enough updated the studio driver suite and all is well again. Wish I would have seen that BEFORE I wasted several hours *(*&^%&**.

 

[smoke665]

Annnddd the &%$ continues. Hadn't really had the opportunity to try out some of the adaptive AI presets in LR. Today I had a batch of 20 shots to try. Sadly the more I edited the more it slowed down. Looks like its back to PS for me.

 

[cgw143 168]

Annnddd the &%$ continues. Hadn't really had the opportunity to try out some of the adaptive AI presets in LR. Today I had a batch of 20 shots to try. Sadly the more I edited the more it slowed down. Looks like its back to PS for me.

Fingers crossed near the end of this life we get a refund on time spent on this $hit.
Frankly, my editing tool box is purposely basic, most of it done on my beater travel laptop.
Anything serious/money-making I entrust to edit doctor pals who listen and know my tastes.

 

[TJMcG139 23]

Annnddd the &%$ continues. Hadn't really had the opportunity to try out some of the adaptive AI presets in LR. Today I had a batch of 20 shots to try. Sadly the more I edited the more it slowed down. Looks like its back to PS for me.

Do you use the Lightroom catalog? Or any of the (very few, I think) editing features that depend on the catalog, like virtual copies? If you do, okay, I guess you're stuck with it. If not, don't use Lightroom, do all your raw editing in Camera Raw. I don't even have Lightroom installed.

 

[smoke665]

Do you use the Lightroom catalog? Or any of the (very few, I think) editing features that depend on the catalog, like virtual copies? If you do, okay, I guess you're stuck with it. If not, don't use Lightroom, do all your raw editing in Camera Raw. I don't even have Lightroom installed.

Yes I use catalog to manage a little over 25k of images on 3 different drives. I haven't done much editing in the past month, during which time there's been updates to my OS, Drivers, and Adobe. Plus I've always used LR for basic edits, then send them to PS to finish. So im not 100% sure where the problem lies. At least its simple enough to do away with all the LR edits and go back to my old work flow.

 

[smoke665]

@TJMcG I stumbled on an advisory from Adobe dated a couple months ago. From what I've found the slow down is a known issue, that has a lot to do with the new AI features. In the past I made edits randomly with no issues, but now the edit priority and the order has a huge impact on the speed of processing. Per the bulletin its' important to perform edits now in the following order, to keep the constant updating of the masks down.

The best order of Develop operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:Exposure/WB

1. Denoise, Raw Details, Super Resolution
2. Reflections Removal
3. Distracting People Removal
4. Generative Expand (Currently available only in Adobe Camera Raw as Tech Preview)
5. Generative Remove, Content-Aware Remove, Heal, and Clone
6. Lens Blur
7. Lens Profile
8. Crop and Transform
9. Adaptive Profiles
10. Global Adjustments in the basic panel
11. Masking
12. AI generated masking

 

[TJMcG139 23]

@TJMcG I stumbled on an advisory from Adobe dated a couple months ago. From what I've found the slow down is a known issue, that has a lot to do with the new AI features. In the past I made edits randomly with no issues, but now the edit priority and the order has a huge impact on the speed of processing. Per the bulletin its' important to perform edits now in the following order, to keep the constant updating of the masks down.

The best order of Develop operations to avoid unexpected results and achieve the best output is as follows:Exposure/WB

1. Denoise, Raw Details, Super Resolution
2. Reflections Removal
3. Distracting People Removal
4. Generative Expand (Currently available only in Adobe Camera Raw as Tech Preview)
5. Generative Remove, Content-Aware Remove, Heal, and Clone
6. Lens Blur
7. Lens Profile
8. Crop and Transform
9. Adaptive Profiles
10. Global Adjustments in the basic panel
11. Masking
12. AI generated masking

Sounds reasonable, but I have been trying for a long time to develop a consistent and comprehensive workflow, and I always end up jumping around. That is, after all, one of the biggest benefits of parametric editing, isn't it? I do like many of the tools in ACR, and go back often via the ACR filter to adjust things. Some things, like masks, just work better in Photoshop. In any case, outside of some AI tasks (like denoise) taking a long time sometimes, I have never experienced what you describe.

 

[smoke665]

@TJMcG ACR also allows the use of "AI Adaptive Masks", I havent tried it yet but as LR mirrors processing in ACR I'm assuming the same holds true for it.

Denoise, Generative Remove, Lens Blur, Lens Profile and certain profiles (adaptive) are given processing priority. The new Adaptive AI presets anaylize the image, make selections and adjustments. If you put them in the stack ahead of the priority adjustments, it forces a recaculation on each mask, whether it needs it or not.

I just did a couple edits using the suggested order and the difference was night and day

 

[smoke665]

So thought I'd drop back with a few observations on my journey with LR Adaptive AI.

1. Be prepared, Adaptive AI is a processing HOG, if you don't follow the suggested order of editing I posted above, it forces each layer to update after every little thing. 6 AI layers, at 10 seconds plus and you're twiddling your thumbs for minute with every brush or key stroke.
2. If you're working multiple images, it taxes the cache and slows down your mouse or pen tracking, bad, and eventually crashes or requires you to close and reopen.
3. Adaptive AI masks are image specific, they don't sync to other images correctly in your batch.
4. Adaptive AI masks RREQUIRE manual tweaks. Otherwise they end up looking like the stupid cell phone images. Because you didn't make the adjustments to begin with, you have to "hunt" to find them requiring additional time.

I thought erroneously that it would save time by staying in LR, but I was wrong? Yesterday did another batch edit of images using my old workflow-Basic edits LR > PS final edits > LR final touch up & crop. So much easier and better final result!

 

[TJMcG139 23]

So thought I'd drop back with a few observations on my journey with LR Adaptive AI.

1. Be prepared, Adaptive AI is a processing HOG, if you don't follow the suggested order of editing I posted above, it forces each layer to update after every little thing. 6 AI layers, at 10 seconds plus and you're twiddling your thumbs for minute with every brush or key stroke.
2. If you're working multiple images, it taxes the cache and slows down your mouse or pen tracking, bad, and eventually crashes or requires you to close and reopen.
3. Adaptive AI masks are image specific, they don't sync to other images correctly in your batch.
4. Adaptive AI masks RREQUIRE manual tweaks. Otherwise they end up looking like the stupid cell phone images. Because you didn't make the adjustments to begin with, you have to "hunt" to find them requiring additional time.

I thought erroneously that it would save time by staying in LR, but I was wrong? Yesterday did another batch edit of images using my old workflow-Basic edits LR > PS final edits > LR final touch up & crop. So much easier and better final result!

So I assume that the steps are going to be identical in Camera Raw.

The Lightroom Classic evangelists will never accept your (and my) way of editing, which is essentially developing the raw file in ACR/LrC and then moving into Photoshop, but that's fine. Most amateurs don't edit as much as I do, and pros with hundreds of images to sort don't want to spend the time, so let them have their Lightroom. One guy once, when responding to my comment that I used Camera Raw to get the same editing experience as Lightroom, informed me that Lightroom Classic was the industry standard for reasons that I obviously, given my limited knowledge, could never understand, and that the "pathetic Camera Raw" could never be the choice of the knowing photographer. Turns out he hadn't used Camera Raw since it was essentially a raw file converter, and had no idea what it was or what it did.

 

[smoke665]

So I assume that the steps are going to be identical in Camera Raw

If you use any of the Adaptive AI tools/masks.

I believe it's important to understand new technology, but that doesn't mean it's always better. I have a fast processor/ram/GPU and the way the AI masks work it slows me to a crawl. For some who only do light editing on a couple images LR will work with Adaptive AI, but if you're doing advanced editing on multiple images, best stay away from it for now. Also to me it seems to much like the cellphone crap that people are always posting.