Wholly C&C Batman!

[Overread17 5]

Thankfully we don't have a trophies feature on the site

 

[cmartin2]

I realize that I am (only a couple hundred posts) late to the game, but I really value the C&C posts and would love for them to be their own section. I am brand new to the forum, but have posted my own C&C and really enjoy reading through the C&Cs that others post as well. I try to make my own critiques in my head and then see how they compare to what is said by people who actually know what they are talking about If C&Cs were there own section it would make it that much easier to browse through to try to continue learning. I have read books and articles and am trying to learn, but sometimes you just don't know what you don't know. Especially more abstract things like composition where just seeing more and more examples is really how I believe you learn. Seeing great photos helps, but not as much as seeing an almost great photo get some good critique about what could make it better.

 

[GeorgieGirl]

:cheers:....oooohhh maybe we should!

We could give a trophy for:

mmmmm......


Most Helpful

Most Improved

Most ______________

Let's do it monthy.

Encouragement!!!

 

[mwcfarms]

Most catty,
Most douche like,
Most likely needing a punch in their mangina?

Hahaha ok I kid I'm bored waitin for piZza!

 

[GeorgieGirl]

Most catty,
Most douche like,
Most likely needing a punch in their mangina?

Hahaha ok I kid I'm bored waitin for piZza!

Feed the fire then...

Don't leave it for the girls to have to heave for then...

Most dick like

Most scummy

Most needing a kick in the Balls

Its Equal Opportunity...unless of course if you don't particlualry like a particular person...

But those things fit all sorts of females too.

And I already ate dinner.

 

[MLeeK]

I get the mom award. Bitter?

I really don't have a big care one way or another regarding a cc section, but I'll gladly give my opinion on the whole deal (cuz I like giving my 2 cents any time I possibly can...)
Most forums I participate in have a CC forum or some place you know is designated for CC. It's not necessarily a beginner CC forum, just CC. The most successful ones do have some good guidelines to them, however that really isn't a big deal either. The thing here that I stumble upon is that I have no idea what is or isn't a CC category. I have probably been reprimanded for cc where it wasn't supposed to be. I have no idea where I'd fall into the scheme of things to actually get feedback on here. I do know if it was macro I could start at the beginners of the beginners forum... otherwise? I dunno. The only time I have gotten some CC is when I was asking for some sports help and in the extreme cc post a while back-awesome cc on that one for me.
I do like in this forum that I WILL get full REAL cc. Elsewhere I have always gotten next to nothing for feedback. Kind of like people won't cc those with some knowledge and skill-not a problem here and that is a HUGE benefit when I need help.
I digress... ANYWAY... Reading through the forums and figuring out what is what, where things go in this forum is kind of complicated in many instances. One of which is especially the request for CC. I do think a CC section is beneficial to those wanting it and to those who are giving it.
If it happens? AWESOME. If not? Fine by me!

 

[GeorgieGirl]

You can have the Most Giving of Self Trophy as you deserve it!

 

[Overread17 5]

MLeek - based on the forum rules about the only place you won't get C&C is in the "Just for Fun" gallery. The other galleries are all open to C&C, its only in the last year and a half or so that the beginners section has dominated more as a result of relaxing of photo posting rules in that section.

 

[naptime]

how did we get to 15 pages WITHOUT photo guy?

 

[Derrel]

I haven't read through the 200 posts of this thread, but I'll stick my nose in, right about here....

That's required at several other forums I have visited.

That would be certainly requirement if we had a C&C subsection. The way I see it beginners only became the C&C area as a result of a choice to allow photos to be posted there since so many beginners would stick photos in there rather than in the galleries. It's a bit of a dividing point since on the one hand many beginner questions often directly relate to photos they've taken (even if their opening post has no photos many giving advise ask to see them); whilst on the other restricting photos in that section increases the moderator burden to shift them around into the right areas.

The thing is if we start to make critique more pro in the beginners section its giving a very heavy bias toward beginners to get critique. As a result intermediate and advanced level photographers are going to follow suit and the beginners area will increase in popularity as a place for people to simply put their C&C photos (because it will be where the critique is given and where proper posting for it is enforced).

Most of you haven't been around here long enough to remember the several different incarnations of the 'critique section'. We have tried it a few different ways, and it always melted down into a big mess...often with a lot of bad feelings. A big part of the issue was moderation. The more rules we put in, the more heavily it has to be moderated. It's not about the amount of work required (although that's certainly as issue), it's about the mods having to make so many judgements on people's comments and trying to interpret their intentions (in terms of the rules of the critique section).

So that's why it's been 'on the shelf' for the last several years.

I would think that we are still open to the idea of adding a specific critique section, but nobody has really come forward with a concrete idea of how to run it (in a way that hasn't already been tried and failed).

The reason nobody has come forward with a concrete idea of how to do a C&C section is that this type of forum CAN NOT BE MOLDED to PRE-DETERMINED "rules". Rules made with good intentions, and noble intentions, or even no intentions, will ALWAYS, always,always be overridden by human nature, and the will of the majority. The people who think they are smart enough to create and impose rules by fiat are repeatedly disappointed when the public will not go along with their narrow-minded ideas,concepts, rules, or silly ideas. We've seen this over and over when forum "behavior" and sub-sections deviate from the stated mission statements (i.e. the rules) that forum administrators have come up with. The people who keep this forum going are the people who post here...not the people who own the forum's title and revenue stream. The idea that rules and guidelines can be imposed by fiat just simply does NOT reflect the realities of internet forums, of all types. Alas, it does not reflect the real world, traffic, behavior, cell phone use and/or texting while driving, jay-walking, theft, vandalism, robbery,homicide, embezzlement, and so on.

The posters here who advocate self-learning, reading of manuals (RFTM, Understanding Exposure,etc.,etc.), numbering of images, NO links to photos hosted off-site,etc,etc--ALL OF THAT IS A LOSING CAUSE. Ain't....gonna...happen...there...will...always...be...people...who...don't...know...or...care about...the..."rules". And so, as KmH noted, in The Beginner's Forum, there were 40 posts asking for C&C this morning, and in 26 of them, there were 76 pictures for which C&C was requested.

Some people complained earlier in this thread about "the regulars" and high post count members complaining about this issue...well, with that many images to C&C, why don't you "complainers" and "low post count members" get off your lazy butts and DO SOME C&C yourselves???

Instead of bitching about other people who have been doing the work here, and creating content, well how about one or two or three of you ("you know who you are"), get off your complaining posteriors, and mow through 10 or 12 newbie C&C posts, right NOW??? I mean, instead of complaining about KmH and his post. You know--like, DO SOMETHING to make it better YOURSELVES!!!!!!

 

[Overread17 5]

Ain't....gonna...happen...there...will...always...be...people...who...don't...know...or...care about...the..."rules".

This - is why mods have a ban button
Works really well on spambots it do

 

[unpopular]

... would it be a good idea if people were encouraged to list precisely what areas they want feedback, i.e. focus, color, general technical, artistic, content, intent etc?

 

[mjhoward]

I havn't read all of this thread but I have to believe it has broken 3 TPF records... most views, most replies, and most freakin' likes within a 24 hr period.

 

[mwcfarms]

I havn't read all of this thread but I have to believe it has broken 3 TPF records... most views, most replies, and most freakin' likes within a 24 hr period.

Might be tied with the girls of TPF thread.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Thankfully we don't have a trophies feature on the site

Oooooh! WANT!!