Wholly C&C Batman!

unpopular · Jan 9, 2012

and my personal favorite farting nyan cat

I swear to god. I crack up every time I watch that.

KmH · Jan 9, 2012

People first need to do some independent research into the fundamentals of doing photography, including the basic technical aspects of how the tools of photograpahy - camera, lens, and light work to produce the photograph.

Second, they need to look at accomplished photographers images to see how the fundamentals are applied. (Facebook is not a good place for doing that. :er

Third, they need to self-critique that they are indeed applying the fundamentals to their own images.

Demers18 · Jan 9, 2012

KmH said:
I just finished counting 26 threads (out of 40), requesting C&C on a total of 73 photos here in the Beginners forum section.

That all adds up to asking other forum members to do a lot of work.

Consequently, few are actually getting any worthwhile C&C.

So what do you suggest we do?

Am I a noob? Absolutely, however I try to apply everything that is recommended. I want to learn the craft of photography and want to get better. The critique is something I value as people you know aka Facebook etc, will only give you the "yay I like it" type feedback.
IMO that is not how you learn and therefore the reason I post here asking for CC. I want to know what I did wrong or what can be improved and what better place than a forum with many that have the "eye" and master the techniques us noobs only can only dream to.

unpopular · Jan 9, 2012

KmH said:
Second, they need to look at accomplished photographers images to see how the fundamentals are applied. (Facebook is not a good place for doing that. :er

People need to start taking photographs for themselves, improve for themselves and have a purpose for taking photographs aside from the admiration of people around them. If people just did that, then visually masturbating to Ansel Adams wouldn't be necessary.

ph0enix · Jan 9, 2012

Ms.Nash said:
...not just this perceived "upper echelon " of people that think their great cuz they have 10,000 posts under their avatar.

...or are professional photographers with many decades of experience, who can really help (and already have many times) the newbies A LOT *eyeroll*. How about at least reviewing some of KmH's posts before posting such nonsense.

Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT disrespect certain TpF members or else...!!!

GeorgieGirl · Jan 9, 2012

ph0enix said:
Ms.Nash said:

...not just this perceived "upper echelon " of people that think their great cuz they have 10,000 posts under their avatar.

Click to expand...

...or are professional photographers with many decades of experience, who can really help (and already have many times) the newbies A LOT *eyeroll*. How about at least reviewing some of KmH's posts before posting such nonsense.

Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT disrespect certain TpF members or else...!!!

Yup...Mistake.... Big Mistake.

ph0enix · Jan 9, 2012

Demers18 said:
So what do you suggest we do?

Am I a noob? Absolutely, however I try to apply everything that is recommended. I want to learn the craft of photography and want to get better. The critique is something I value as people you know aka Facebook etc, will only give you the "yay I like it" type feedback.
IMO that is not how you learn and therefore the reason I post here asking for CC. I want to know what I did wrong or what can be improved and what better place than a forum with many that have the "eye" and master the techniques us noobs only can only dream to.

The thing is that 75% or more of the people asking for C&C now, will get bored with the cameras they got for Christmas and photography overall. They will vanish from TPF like 007's Aston Martin. Good for you if you decide to stick around.

MLeeK · Jan 9, 2012

I am avoiding the CC posts since the influx of Christmas Day cameras. It's always dicey this time of year in a forum for CC and this one it can get particularly dicey at times.
73 photos. That takes a LOT of time to give even half assed CC on-which is fine, I don't mind giving whatever time I do have, but... Most of the Christmas Day Photographers aren't REALLY wanting true CC. Until those ones get filtered out of the ones who REALLY want to learn? I'm keeping to very little CC. Sorry! It's just safer that way!
I'd rather spend my time on someone I know wants it than on someone who is going to give every excuse as to why the image is good enough as it is. Until I can tell who is who? I'll keep my cc to a minimum.

GeorgieGirl · Jan 9, 2012

MLeeK said:
I am avoiding the CC posts since the influx of Christmas Day cameras. It's always dicey this time of year in a forum for CC and this one it can get particularly dicey at times.
73 photos. That takes a LOT of time to give even half assed CC on-which is fine, I don't mind giving whatever time I do have, but... Most of the Christmas Day Photographers aren't REALLY wanting true CC. Until those ones get filtered out of the ones who REALLY want to learn? I'm keeping to very little CC. Sorry! It's just safer that way!
I'd rather spend my time on someone I know wants it than on someone who is going to give every excuse as to why the image is good enough as it is. Until I can tell who is who? I'll keep my cc to a minimum.

Darlin, that influx happened before Christmas....this wave is actually a pleasure. :Joker:

MWC2 · Jan 9, 2012

I joined the forum back in June, have less than 200 posts and consider myself a newbie when it comes to photography (only been shooting for about 16 months or so). I only post every couple of months for C&C but am here at least 3 times a week reading and learning. Any C&C I receive I take and try to apply to my next attempt, sometimes it works for me other times I don't really care for the results, but I'm always open to trying out something someone recommends. I did notice the growth in posters this last month and I believe there will be another spike around tax return time as well.

If it wasn't for the posters here at TPF, I still would be shooting on Auto, my children would have green skin tones and no one would be in focus... thank you everyone that has ever point out an issue I have had.

MLeeK · Jan 9, 2012

Oh, we had some real peaches here this fall!

Great for entertainment.

Sonoma · Jan 9, 2012

Huh. Deja vu! I think we had this thread not to long ago. :drool:

shutterbugmomma · Jan 9, 2012

As a noob to this forum, I just want to put in my 2 cents. I am here because I am genuinely trying to learn to be a photographer. I don't want mediocre photos, I want amazing ones. I have read and read and read and practiced. I need real input so I can correct what I am doing wrong! I have had my camera for over a year and I have steadily improved, on my own without any input from others that knew anything about photography. My friends don't understand why I am not happy with my shots because they don't see what I see. My ultimate goal is to have spectacular shots with minimal post-processing. Posts like this seem to say "If you aren't good, don't bother"
I hope that those that really want to help beginners continue to help those like me that aren't here for a pat on the back for sub-par photos, but rather instruction on how to fix it!
Thank you to all of you that take the time to give cc.

MissCream · Jan 9, 2012

Right now it's all newbs critiquing newbs, you're a bad person if you tell someone their picture is OOF (out of focus) after 10 people who don't know what they are doing say it's great.

unpopular · Jan 9, 2012

from my experience you get ten people complaining about it being OOF and why it doesn't follow the rule of thirds, and nobody mentioning anything about content.