Wholly C&C Batman!

[GeorgieGirl]

from my experience you get ten people complaining about it being OOF and why it doesn't follow the rule of thirds, and nobody mentioning anything about content.

One thing at a time....:lmao:

Don't know about anyone else, but I am a fan of focus....you do raise a good point on what is a proper order of failure though....

 

[MWC2]

from my experience you get ten people complaining about it being OOF and why it doesn't follow the rule of thirds, and nobody mentioning anything about content.

One thing at a time....:lmao:

Don't know about anyone else, but I am a fan of focus....you do raise a good point on what is a proper order of failure though....

Focus is SOOOO overrated.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Great, now we have two threads whining about critiquing!


A big issue I see with new members asking for critique, is that so many of them seem to need information spoon fed to them. There are so many books written on all subjects photogaphy, yet helpful people like MTvision have to rewrite those books for every person they respond to. I see many people who seem to never look at other threads, just their own. There is a wealth of information in the numerous CC posts that everyone can learn from. I think it's necessary for beginners to read as many CC posts as they can. In terms of composition, this is a great way to learn by example. There are infinite possibilities in regards to composition, and the more examples you see, and file away in your head, the bigger the pool you can draw from when you are faced with each and every new photographic opportunity that comes along.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again...the onus is on you to learn. The information is out there in many forms. You will not learn very much if your sole guidance is coming here and posting a picture every day and asking for CC. As has been said before as well, making a serious effort in self critique shows other posters willing to help that you are serious, and that you are learning to "see". The more you give, the more you get.

I think all new people should be told to get the book "the photographers eye" or "learning to see creatively" and asked not to post again till they have read it.

The other thing that is insane, are the number of people that tell new people to disregard the theories of composition and elements of design. It's the fundamentals! Once you learn them, understand them, and can apply them, then you are free to challenge them!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

from my experience you get ten people complaining about it being OOF and why it doesn't follow the rule of thirds, and nobody mentioning anything about content.

Yeah, well, whaddaya want. It's a duck, or a spider, or a dog, or a cat, or a seagull, or a building, or a kidlet, ad nauseum.

 

[bentcountershaft]

I learned a lot of stuff as a noob here because of c&c threads. The difference though was that I probably learned more from the threads started by other folks and seeing where they went wrong than I did with my own threads. Not everyone is capable of learning from someone else's mistakes but I grew up with an older brother so I learned early on how to avoid getting in trouble (or getting caught rather) all the time like he did.

 

[naptime]

So what do you suggest we do?

Am I a noob? Absolutely, however I try to apply everything that is recommended. I want to learn the craft of photography and want to get better. The critique is something I value as people you know aka Facebook etc, will only give you the "yay I like it" type feedback.
IMO that is not how you learn and therefore the reason I post here asking for CC. I want to know what I did wrong or what can be improved and what better place than a forum with many that have the "eye" and master the techniques us noobs only can only dream to.

The thing is that 75% or more of the people asking for C&C now, will get bored with the cameras they got for Christmas and photography overall. They will vanish from TPF like 007's Aston Martin. Good for you if you decide to stick around.

i hope some of those new canon owners put them up on ebay REAL cheap

 

[tirediron]

Right now it's all newbs critiquing newbs, you're a bad person if you tell someone their picture is OOF (out of focus) after 10 people who don't know what they are doing say it's great.

I must be a baaaadddddddddddd person! :er:

 

[TamiAz]

I'm guilty..Probably post too many c&c request, however, I do read and I do research information. When I take pictures there are things that I don't see unless someone points it out to me. I do take the feedback I'm given and use it to help me improve. Thanks for all the help!!

 

[unpopular]

from my experience you get ten people complaining about it being OOF and why it doesn't follow the rule of thirds, and nobody mentioning anything about content.

Yeah, well, whaddaya want. It's a duck, or a spider, or a dog, or a cat, or a seagull, or a building, or a kidlet, ad nauseum.

Over at photo.net I got this like really over the top bad CC. I went to see what this guru of photography had to offer the world and found a single picture of a duck, swimming away from the camera, in bright daylight, dead center of the frame.

From then on "duck photographers" have been my nemesis.

 

[MLeeK]

As a noob to this forum, I just want to put in my 2 cents. I am here because I am genuinely trying to learn to be a photographer. I don't want mediocre photos, I want amazing ones. I have read and read and read and practiced. I need real input so I can correct what I am doing wrong! I have had my camera for over a year and I have steadily improved, on my own without any input from others that knew anything about photography. My friends don't understand why I am not happy with my shots because they don't see what I see. My ultimate goal is to have spectacular shots with minimal post-processing. Posts like this seem to say "If you aren't good, don't bother"
I hope that those that really want to help beginners continue to help those like me that aren't here for a pat on the back for sub-par photos, but rather instruction on how to fix it!
Thank you to all of you that take the time to give cc.

Don't think that. Just understand that your first handful of posts may get some weak CC or very little until we get a feel for you.
When we speak face to face we have the ability to read each other and know how the other is going to take something or how the speaker means to be saying things. In writing here on a forum-you can take what a CC giver says completely different than how the poster meant it. Until we get a feel for you and you get a feel for us... it's hard to give anything really effective.
Plus, the fact that we all have to get to know each other kind of chases off those who aren't that serious about learning anything.

 

[MLeeK]

So what do you suggest we do?

Am I a noob? Absolutely, however I try to apply everything that is recommended. I want to learn the craft of photography and want to get better. The critique is something I value as people you know aka Facebook etc, will only give you the "yay I like it" type feedback.
IMO that is not how you learn and therefore the reason I post here asking for CC. I want to know what I did wrong or what can be improved and what better place than a forum with many that have the "eye" and master the techniques us noobs only can only dream to.

The thing is that 75% or more of the people asking for C&C now, will get bored with the cameras they got for Christmas and photography overall. They will vanish from TPF like 007's Aston Martin. Good for you if you decide to stick around.

i hope some of those new canon owners put them up on ebay REAL cheap

Keep an eye out on craigslist about July. They're usually hurting for money by then. Tax refunds are spent and they are then looking for the best way to make some cash. I bought my 7D for $1000 last summer with 2600 clicks on it. Dude was desperate!

 

[MWC2]

I purchased my 40D for $250, less than 800 clicks on it. I purchased in between Christmas and Tax Return Time off Craigslist as well. Even came with the original sales receipt.

 

[blackrose89]

I think this whole thread is just people making themselves feel wiser and more important then others.

I think certain people on here who give CC have an undeserved sense of entitlement. Just because you're good at something doesn't give you a right to say/ridicule people who don't post up to the standards that you think they should. Some people here think they're CCs are precious, and to people like me and others that are serious, it is. But to others it's not. And there is no rule that it has to be. Just because you give advice doesn't mean people have to turn around and say "Thank you Sensei"

Like it or not, as I said before, this is an open forum. You guys are not the moderators. I don't get where people come off saying what is an acceptable post here. Photographers of all sorts are allowed here. Both those who want to learn and those who just like taking shots. I missed the part in the guidelines were it says "only serious photographer allowed here, all others must go elsewhere".

Believe are not there are photographers who like the simplicity of just going out with their cameras. And they have just as much right to post what/how they want as someone who has been at this for decades. I don't get why people would sit here and whine about what photos are being posted when there is both a professional gallery and a beyond the basics section for people specifically taking it a step further.

Guess what? If there is an influx of 200 people posting photos who don't give rat's *** about advice, they ARE allowed to as such.

I think Mleek is taking a much more respectful, less snobbish approach, by just avoiding it and not going on whining on and insulting people about it.

On the other hand, if someone is rude/disrespectful/mean to the people offering their CC then all's fair in hell. lol.

 

[jbarnes.US]

and about 75% are new members from Texas I see.

Well, that's a lot of steers and q....well...you know what I mean if you like Kubrick...

That hurts.

 

[naptime]

from my experience you get ten people complaining about it being OOF and why it doesn't follow the rule of thirds, and nobody mentioning anything about content.

Yeah, well, whaddaya want. It's a duck, or a spider, or a dog, or a cat, or a seagull, or a building, or a kidlet, ad nauseum.

Over at photo.net I got this like really over the top bad CC. I went to see what this guru of photography had to offer the world and found a single picture of a duck, swimming away from the camera, in bright daylight, dead center of the frame.

From then on "duck photographers" have been my nemesis.

i didn't know lightspeed was on photo.net.. hmmm