Wholly C&C Batman!

MLeeK · Jan 9, 2012

I am over there too. I just rarely participate. I like FredMiranda for their sports forum too.

tirediron · Jan 9, 2012

KmH said:
People first need to do some independent research into the fundamentals of doing photography, including the basic technical aspects of how the tools of photograpahy - camera, lens, and light work to produce the photograph.

Second, they need to look at accomplished photographers images to see how the fundamentals are applied. (Facebook is not a good place for doing that. :er
Third, they need to self-critique that they are indeed applying the fundamentals to their own images.

Agreed, however, I think one of the key roles that more experienced members here can play is to help those new to the photographic world is to help those who really want to, learn what those things are. For instance, if someone has never done anything but take snapshots, and has decided that they want to learn more or "go to the next level", they may not know what they need to learn, or how to self-critique an image (if you don't know that a centred subject isn't good composition, how do you self-critique it?).

As well, our culture is changing; dinosaurs like you and I (Well, you anyway) are used to going to the bookshelf to learn what we need, but in the new, connected world, it's become the norm to simply ask a question of the Internet at large, in the same way you would of your Mother or Father when you were a child. Not saying I like it, but that's the way it is...

Now... you dam kids... get off'n my lawn!!!

Tee · Jan 9, 2012

KMH and others are right that there has to be some effort on the part of the poster. Spoon feeding only goes so far.

I prefer to get my critiques from places that are a little more specific to genres from those who specialize in said genre. I don't shoot newborns, cars, fences, maternity shots with sonograms, leaves, birds or weddings so that pretty much leaves me hanging somewhere in the TPF abyss. It would be nice if the Beyond the Basics forum was opened to intermediate photographers to post for critique.

Blackrose- this sense of entitlement? Really? Maybe if you're here to join cliques, I suppose. I don't know...take what's good, discard the rest, close out the window if things get too bad and go photograph something.

unpopular · Jan 9, 2012

tirediron said:
Now... you dam kids... get off'n my lawn!!!

You mean like these dam kids?

http://badwithconviction.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/dam_kids_web.jpg

bentcountershaft · Jan 9, 2012

Tee said:
I don't shoot newborns, cars, fences, maternity shots with sonograms, leaves, birds or weddings...

And you call your self a photographer? Pffft!

Bitter Jeweler · Jan 9, 2012

tirediron said:
As well, our culture is changing; dinosaurs like you and I (Well, you anyway) are used to going to the bookshelf to learn what we need, but in the new, connected world, it's become the norm to simply ask a question of the Internet at large, in the same way you would of your Mother or Father when you were a child. Not saying I like it, but that's the way it is...

Now... you dam kids... get off'n my lawn!!!

I disagree. The problem is a culture of helpless spoon fed babies.

I am learning how to use some CAD software. I am a member of two CAD forum. I have been complimented on how fast I am learning. Why? Because I know how to find the answers, and I am to impatient to wait for someone to solve my problems. The brilliant thing is, in searching, I find related problems, and when they come up later, I already have the answer. THATS how you learn.

I firmly believe the interbred has created a culture that can't problem solve, or do research. But we have to take into account the hundreds of lurkers here that do find there answers, and never post. We can't quantify that number though to see if it out ways the helpless.

MLeeK · Jan 9, 2012

The sense of entitlement drives me insane and it's part of why I avoid things. And this will be where I open my rather large mouth...

No one is entitled to a damn thing by being a member here. I certainly give a LOT more than I get out of this forum. I am not paid to do that and frankly, a thank you is the least people can do. It takes a LOT of time and effort to give the CC. We take that time from other things we could be doing and give it freely. We don't expect anything but respect in return.
Which seems to RARELY come from the new members.
Although... I have to say I got a "thank you" in my inbox today from someone who is only a lurker. That was cool. The sender is learning something from our posts even though they don't post anything and took the time to say THANK YOU. More than most people do in a forum!

Tracybug · Jan 9, 2012

I know I am new here and have asked for alot of help & suggestions. I really have listened very carefully to what other's here have pointed out to me and have appreciated all of the information and suggestions that the people here have so kindly have shared. I have tried to take that advice and use it and I really thought I was making progress. But as someone new here and someone who still needs advice this post makes me feel very timid to ask for that advice now. Just my 2 cents.....

rexbobcat · Jan 9, 2012

I just think that the forum should read the EXIF data and if the shutter actuations are below a certain count they shouldn't be allowed to post photos. XD From what I've observed, this place is simply flooded with "These are my first 4 shots EVER with my new camera. How did I do?"

Seriously though, I think that secretly (or not too secretly) everyone thinks they have what it takes to be the next groundbreaking revolutionary when it comes to art. That's why they post here first before researching. They expect us to jump up and say "egads! This came from a beginner!? You've got inherent talent!"

Maybe they think that if they're told that they don't have to work as hard? I don't know.That's just my take.

Also: generalizing a whole generation by the negative aspects of the few is totally awesome guys. Thanks.

MLeeK · Jan 9, 2012

Tracybug said:
I know I am new here and have asked for alot of help & suggestions. I really have listened very carefully to what other's here have pointed out to me and have appreciated all of the information and suggestions that the people here have so kindly have shared. I have tried to take that advice and use it and I really thought I was making progress. But as someone new here and someone who still needs advice this post makes me feel very timid to ask for that advice now. Just my 2 cents.....

We are just feeling out to find the people like you.

tirediron · Jan 9, 2012

Bitter Jeweler said:
...THATS how you learn...

Noooooooo, that's how you (and I, and a lot of the older, and some of the newer folks) learn!

Bitter Jeweler said:
I firmly believe the interbred has created a culture that can't problem solve, or do research.

I agree with you 110%!!!!!!!!

Bitter Jeweler said:
But we have to take into account the hundreds of lurkers here that do find there answers, and never post. We can't quantify that number though to see if it out ways the helpless.

:thumbup:

MLeeK · Jan 9, 2012

I think we need a 1000 post club or something... These conversations probably shouldn't be public in the forum.

baturn · Jan 9, 2012

Well, I'm mostly a lurker. I'm here almost everyday and read almost every thread in 'active topics".As you can see I rarely comment and don't believe I've ever asked for C&C. I usually read but ignore threads of this type because you are all entitled to your opinions (right or wrong or even inane). This time though, I think I'll add my two cents.
I have to agree with those who say it is an open forum and all are entitled to post ( within forum rules and guidelines) what they wish and ask questions as they wish. If for any reason any of you are too busy, too tired,too proud or just don't care enough to comment, don't!

blackrose89 · Jan 9, 2012

baturn said:
I have to agree with those who say it is an open forum and all are entitled to post ( within forum rules and guidelines) what they wish and ask questions as they wish. If for any reason any of you are too busy, too tired,too proud or just don't care enough to comment, don't!

Let's just say I'm already getting PMs from people who say they won't be asking for CC anymore due to this post. People who really are trying sooooooo.... yeh......

Bitter Jeweler · Jan 9, 2012

blackrose89 said:
baturn said:

I have to agree with those who say it is an open forum and all are entitled to post ( within forum rules and guidelines) what they wish and ask questions as they wish. If for any reason any of you are too busy, too tired,too proud or just don't care enough to comment, don't!

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Let's just say I'm already getting PMs from people who say they won't be asking for CC anymore due to this post. People who really are trying sooooooo.... yeh......