Why All the Hate?

[SamSpade1941]

The whole concept of portable music comes from Sony's Walkman. How about CD ?

Sony was IT in electronics not so long ago. Apple's success is pretty recent. And Apple is very annoying with proprietary stuff. Thunder bolt connectors ? Music format ? iOS is dropping Google, blocking competing Apps... Don't fool yourselves...

Some users make it a point of trolling Sony topics. If that's what makes them feel like they live a meaningful life, let them do it.

Actually Phillips had way more to do with CD technology than Sony did , Sony's contribution to the CD was the error correction method that came to be used in CD technology. Phillips pretty much developed everything else that had to do with the Compact Disc. Sony's largest contribution to the development of the Compact Disc was their music catalog and the fact that the very first music published to CD were recording artists signed to Sony's music label. With Abba and Billy Joel being the first two recording artists to be released on CD.

Not taking anything away from their achievements, just wanting to set the record straight in how it went down. As for Apple. I would remind you that were it not for Apple computer standardizing things like USB, Bluetooth, Firewire and 802.11. We would most likely not be where we are today as the hodgepodge of PC manufacturers including big blue tended to fight for years over technology before something finally emerged as a standard. My PowerMac G5 which I still use today to process photographs on was purchased in 2005 , is a 64 bit computer and has 16 GB of RAM and dual processors back when dual cores were a dream in a PC.

Food For Thought.

 

[rexbobcat]

Exactly. Apple's innovations have all been,mostly short-lived, dead-end flops. Like the GUI they saw at Xerox's lab, then turned into a workable personal computing interface with graphics and that useless, piece of chit "computer mouse" idea. How stupid of Apple.

And compressed computer video--Steve Jobs's dream...that was another stoooopid Apple innovation. And putting CD-players in each and every computer made--another idiotic Apple innovation that died out and went nowhere. And putting that worthless-as-teats-on-a boar "USB" plug-in on EVERY computer....Gawd, Apple had some stupid engineers on that worthless innovation project. Gawd, that was DUMB.

And the all-in-one computer concept, that iMac idea...that lasted from the late 1990's until when? 2000? 2001? Oh, and that stupid Apple innovation called "music downloading by the song"--dumber than hell. And that Apple innovation, the wahtzit..the iPod??? WHALES swim in pods...music has nothing to do with "Pods"...and that old "plug and play" concept of chit that "just works"...yet another in the long list of Apple innovations that were stupid and died out....

I love all the Apple innovations that have died out.

I wasn't talking about Apple's stuff dying out. I was referring to their proprietary nature. Sony's innovations were things that no oft asked for an nobody really wanted.

Sarcastic Apple fanboyism doesn't really you make your point any better than just explaining your stance. It. Really. Doesn't.

Way to get overly-defensive. :thumbsup:

 

[MLeeK]

I have nothing against Sony, per se. I just choose Canon. If I were starting all over again I'd probably choose Nikon. Sony isn't in the running for me. That doesn't mean they make crap or that they do. It seems to me that they are really taking huge leaps and bounds. From what I see they are producing some awesome cameras.

 

[dxqcanada]

Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, etc ... have a long history in photographic equipment.
Sony is a new player that bought themselves into this area ... so I think many feel that they do not deserve to be compared to others.
I think it would be different if we were talking about a current Minolta SLT/DSL camera.

Consider the fact that there is less Ricoh bashing than Sony bashing ... and Ricoh never did have much respect in the old days of film.

 

[IByte]

Probably goes back to BetaMax. Then Memory Stick. Then illegally invading customer's PC's with spyware that reported back on user behavior. Then dealer price-fixing. Stuff like that. A corporation can try to f&%^ people over only so many times before said corporation becomes known as the corporation that tries to f&%^ people over by imposing ridiculous conditions on the use of its products. I personally have little animosity toward Sony Corp., but quite a few people absolutely LOATHE the company and its products. Sony is kind of like the Microsoft of the electronics business...liked by many...hated by many...

Cough..cough..Best Buy is the devil..cough..cough

 

[Derrel]

Best Buy is an excellent source of free entertainment...

One can even buy a Windoze Pee-Cee there, as well as a Sone-eeee digital camruh.

 

[manaheim]

Probably goes back to BetaMax. Then Memory Stick. Then illegally invading customer's PC's with spyware that reported back on user behavior. Then dealer price-fixing. Stuff like that. A corporation can try to f&%^ people over only so many times before said corporation becomes known as the corporation that tries to f&%^ people over by imposing ridiculous conditions on the use of its products. I personally have little animosity toward Sony Corp., but quite a few people absolutely LOATHE the company and its products. Sony is kind of like the Microsoft of the electronics business...liked by many...hated by many...

Sony is a horrible company. This was not always the case.

There was once a time when anytime I needed an electronic product, I basically looked for that item with a Sony label on it, and all was right with the world. These days it's the very last thing I'll buy.

so the reasons why...

Their ergonomics tend to be quite poor and ridiculously inconsistent. At one point I had 3 Sony TVs all purchased within a few months and each one had a WILDLY different remote.

Their quality has slipped crazily on many of their products. They fall apart, break easily, etc.

They implement ridiculous technologies that are totally proprietary and put a strangle-hold on the industry so that no one else will adopt it. (as others mentioned... memory stick)

They actively screw their customers... as Derrell mentioned... root kits on music CDs.

They actively crush innovation. Anyone here have an HD DVD? Ohhhh, so Sorry. Sony went to all the movie houses and said "If you don't do bluray exclusively, you can say buhbye to your distribution channels."

They built a crappy back-end network for their playstation product and wound up losing everyone's private information and credit cards. Then the network was down for MONTHS. MONTHS. As they rebuilt it.

And on and on and on.

Their politics are bad. Their products are bad. Their principles are bad.

They are just an overwhelming suckhole... and even to the point where some years ago the CEO came out and said "oh my god we suck"... but they still suck. (this was well before the network incident)

It just so happens in the middle of all this, that Sony's camera group tends to be decent to pretty darn good, but I wouldn't give Sony a dime I don't have to on principle alone, so I don't care if the goddamned camera had a 20 stop dynamic range, 36MP raws that were only 12Meg, shot zero-noise pictures in absolute dark, made me a ****ing ham sandwich for lunch every day at 11:30 and Sony actually gave me $10 to own it. I wouldn't take it.

Sony SUCKS.

 

[Derrel]

Exactly. Apple's innovations have all been,mostly short-lived, dead-end flops. Like the GUI they saw at Xerox's lab, then turned into a workable personal computing interface with graphics and that useless, piece of chit "computer mouse" idea. How stupid of Apple.

And compressed computer video--Steve Jobs's dream...that was another stoooopid Apple innovation. And putting CD-players in each and every computer made--another idiotic Apple innovation that died out and went nowhere. And putting that worthless-as-teats-on-a boar "USB" plug-in on EVERY computer....Gawd, Apple had some stupid engineers on that worthless innovation project. Gawd, that was DUMB.

And the all-in-one computer concept, that iMac idea...that lasted from the late 1990's until when? 2000? 2001? Oh, and that stupid Apple innovation called "music downloading by the song"--dumber than hell. And that Apple innovation, the wahtzit..the iPod??? WHALES swim in pods...music has nothing to do with "Pods"...and that old "plug and play" concept of chit that "just works"...yet another in the long list of Apple innovations that were stupid and died out....

I love all the Apple innovations that have died out.

I wasn't talking about Apple's stuff dying out. I was referring to their proprietary nature. Sony's innovations were things that no oft asked for an nobody really wanted.

Sarcastic Apple fanboyism doesn't really you make your point any better than just explaining your stance. It. Really. Doesn't.

Way to get overly-defensive. :thumbsup:

Way to write like a sixth-grader. You wrote: Sony is like the Apple of general electronics in the fact that many of their innovations are proprietary, and eventually die because of that. lol.

"Dude, how much memory do your memory sticks hold?"

"Wtf are you talking about?"


Sorry if I misunderstood your primitive attempt at expressing a point of view...you seemed like yet another Windoze fanboy to me, and I know that you are not old enough to KNOW,first-hand, what Apple's innovations actually were...NOR are you old enough to KNOW that many people did not want or welcome Appple's innovations...many Apple customers kvetched and moaned about Apple innovations, for the most part. Apple was busy revolutionizing computing when you were in diapers...and yet you tried to characterize the company with a flippant,off-base, throw-away comment...

"Plonk". (do you know what PLONK! means???)

 

[Ballistics]

Sony is like the Apple of general electronics in the fact that many of their innovations are proprietary, and eventually die because of that. lol.

"Dude, how much memory do your memory sticks hold?"

"Wtf are you talking about?"

Exactly. Apple's innovations have all been,mostly short-lived, dead-end flops. Like the GUI they saw at Xerox's lab, then turned into a workable personal computing interface with graphics and that useless, piece of chit "computer mouse" idea. How stupid of Apple.

And compressed computer video--Steve Jobs's dream...that was another stoooopid Apple innovation. And putting CD-players in each and every computer made--another idiotic Apple innovation that died out and went nowhere. And putting that worthless-as-teats-on-a boar "USB" plug-in on EVERY computer....Gawd, Apple had some stupid engineers on that worthless innovation project. Gawd, that was DUMB.

And the all-in-one computer concept, that iMac idea...that lasted from the late 1990's until when? 2000? 2001? Oh, and that stupid Apple innovation called "music downloading by the song"--dumber than hell. And that Apple innovation, the wahtzit..the iPod??? WHALES swim in pods...music has nothing to do with "Pods"...and that old "plug and play" concept of chit that "just works"...yet another in the long list of Apple innovations that were stupid and died out....

I love all the Apple innovations that have died out.

Great example of why I thought that post in the support thread was sarcastic.

 

[Derrel]

Sony is like the Apple of general electronics in the fact that many of their innovations are proprietary, and eventually die because of that. lol.

"Dude, how much memory do your memory sticks hold?"

"Wtf are you talking about?"

Exactly. Apple's innovations have all been,mostly short-lived, dead-end flops. Like the GUI they saw at Xerox's lab, then turned into a workable personal computing interface with graphics and that useless, piece of chit "computer mouse" idea. How stupid of Apple.

And compressed computer video--Steve Jobs's dream...that was another stoooopid Apple innovation. And putting CD-players in each and every computer made--another idiotic Apple innovation that died out and went nowhere. And putting that worthless-as-teats-on-a boar "USB" plug-in on EVERY computer....Gawd, Apple had some stupid engineers on that worthless innovation project. Gawd, that was DUMB.

And the all-in-one computer concept, that iMac idea...that lasted from the late 1990's until when? 2000? 2001? Oh, and that stupid Apple innovation called "music downloading by the song"--dumber than hell. And that Apple innovation, the wahtzit..the iPod??? WHALES swim in pods...music has nothing to do with "Pods"...and that old "plug and play" concept of chit that "just works"...yet another in the long list of Apple innovations that were stupid and died out....

I love all the Apple innovations that have died out.

Great example of why I thought that post in the support thread was sarcastic.

BUT, my comment in the Forum thread was NOT sarcastic, as I told you, Ballistics. I have LONG supported slimming this forum DOWN, into FEWER sub-fora. "Doah!" Some people (meaning YOU, Ballistics) seem incapable of understanding that a person's personality can encompass the ability to write with hyperbole, or sincerity, humor, aggression, sympathy, or any one of a host of other qualities. Please pull your panties out of your crack, mmkay?

For those who have ZERO idea of what Ballistics is whining about, let me state that he is bringing up his own OP from several days ago, in the Feedback forum here on TPF. Let me re-state what I wrote in that thread after Ballistics accused me of being sarcastic in my supoport of his very own idea of condensing the Photo Forums down to FIVE sub-fora:

AGAIN, I SUPPORT slimming the Photo Posting Forums down to FIVE categories. The ones YOU suggested. I have long supported creating a TPF that has FAR fewer sub-categories. Now, can you, Ballistics, please stop acting like being a wounded animal, and recognize that this thread, this Why the SONY hate? thread, has NOTHING to do with your hurt feelings. Why are you hijacking this thread? Are you still stinging from me supporting your idea in public? Why didn't you just PM me, like a man?

Anyway...Sony...I don't hate them. Samsung makes better electronics, so I'll usually buy their stuff instead of Sony stuff. Sony USED to make good electronics, but a spate of poor Sony products made me look elsewhere.

 

[charlie76]

They are a big company for a reason.

That is a wide open statement...besides the hardware quality...and I feel like commenting on the social aspects of this enormous corporation. Do you really want to get into this discussion?

 

[Ballistics]

Exactly. Apple's innovations have all been,mostly short-lived, dead-end flops. Like the GUI they saw at Xerox's lab, then turned into a workable personal computing interface with graphics and that useless, piece of chit "computer mouse" idea. How stupid of Apple.

And compressed computer video--Steve Jobs's dream...that was another stoooopid Apple innovation. And putting CD-players in each and every computer made--another idiotic Apple innovation that died out and went nowhere. And putting that worthless-as-teats-on-a boar "USB" plug-in on EVERY computer....Gawd, Apple had some stupid engineers on that worthless innovation project. Gawd, that was DUMB.

And the all-in-one computer concept, that iMac idea...that lasted from the late 1990's until when? 2000? 2001? Oh, and that stupid Apple innovation called "music downloading by the song"--dumber than hell. And that Apple innovation, the wahtzit..the iPod??? WHALES swim in pods...music has nothing to do with "Pods"...and that old "plug and play" concept of chit that "just works"...yet another in the long list of Apple innovations that were stupid and died out....

I love all the Apple innovations that have died out.

Great example of why I thought that post in the support thread was sarcastic.

BUT, my comment in the Forum thread was NOT sarcastic, as I told you, Ballistics. I have LONG supported slimming this forum DOWN, into FEWER sub-fora. "Doah!" Some people (meaning YOU, Ballistics) seem incapable of understanding that a person's personality can encompass the ability to write with hyperbole, or sincerity, humor, aggression, sympathy, or any one of a host of other qualities. Please pull your panties out of your crack, mmkay?

For those who have ZERO idea of what Ballistics is whining about, let me state that he is bringing up his own OP from several days ago, in the Feedback forum here on TPF. Let me re-state what I wrote in that thread after Ballistics accused me of being sarcastic in my supoport of his very own idea of condensing the Photo Forums down to FIVE sub-fora:

AGAIN, I SUPPORT slimming the Photo Posting Forums down to FIVE categories. The ones YOU suggested. I have long supported creating a TPF that has FAR fewer sub-categories. Now, can you, Ballistics, please stop acting like being a wounded animal, and recognize that this thread, this Why the SONY hate? thread, has NOTHING to do with your hurt feelings. Why are you hijacking this thread? Are you still stinging from me supporting your idea in public? Why didn't you just PM me, like a man?

Anyway...Sony...I don't hate them. Samsung makes better electronics, so I'll usually buy their stuff instead of Sony stuff. Sony USED to make good electronics, but a spate of poor Sony products made me look elsewhere.

Holy crap, why so touchy? I simply acknowledged my suspicion that what you were saying was sarcastic in the other thread. You are VERY sarcastic. Whether or not you think so, and sometimes it's not so telegraphed. Instead of taking a swing at my intelligence, how about you take it down a notch. You can write with all of those traits, but sometimes it's difficult to know if you are being sincere, sarcastic, humorous, or just a flat out dick. I wasn't sure if you were serious or being sarcastic so I asked. Therefore, your judgment of me is baseless.

Not only are you sarcastic, but you romanticize with dramatic fashion.

 

[aaronlecain]

This entire thread is making me think I need to find another Photography forum. Members attacking members. This isn't what I got into Photography. I enjoyed talking to like minded people that enjoyed photography together. Good luck to you all.

Don't Feed The Trolls.

 

[Ballistics]

This entire thread is making me think I need to find another Photography forum. Members attacking members. This isn't what I got into Photography. I enjoyed talking to like minded people that enjoyed photography together. Good luck to you all.

Don't Feed The Trolls.

Your contributions will be dearly missed.

 

[charlie76]

This entire thread is making me think I need to find another Photography forum. Members attacking members. This isn't what I got into Photography. I enjoyed talking to like minded people that enjoyed photography together. Good luck to you all.

Don't Feed The Trolls.

um.....where's the forum where everyone strokes each others back? Oh..that's where the good photographers hang out!!! adios