Wondering: D7000 vs D800 vs D700

cgipson1 · Feb 24, 2012

I always considered a professional photographer to be one who can capture a good image in any conditions, with any tools needed to make that capture. If someone is unable to use flash.. that severely limits that ability, as they are limited to ambient light. One who limits themselves to only Ambient light (because of a lack of knowledge) is an amateur, not a professional.... and SHOULD NOT be charging for the poor work they put out! We see this with many Facebook / Craigslist wanna be pro's.... (and they blame their crap on their equipment too!)

If a photographer charges for their work.. that automatically makes them a professional (by the definition of professional, and in the eyes of their clients). I should not have to help a PROFESSIONAL with BASIC BEGINNER type questions (unless they are paying me to help them, since it will help them increase their profit!) I consider basic flash use to still be in the BEGINNER realm! (most so called Natural Light Photographers use only ambient, because they are incompetent! They don't know how to use Flash.. and usually they basically using their nice big DSLR as a Point and Shoot! (And they Want to get PAID for this? lol! :thumbdown: )

So help yourselves, (Wanna Be) Professionals! Because I won't!

AnnMo · Feb 24, 2012

Well that's your opinion. I see people charging fees who use point and shoots. One of the reasons my prices are in the lower realm is because I don't feel comfortable charging more at this time, but will in the future as I learn more about my new equipment. I'm not out to rip people off. I'm an honest girl. I learned the basics of flash in college, but we never did any bouncing with them. We used strobes in the studio and other lights where we learned to bounce and use white cards, reflectors, etc. I've only had my speed light for about 4 months now. Everyone has to start somewhere! And it takes more than technical stuff to make a good image. You have to have that eye!

It's funny though how people with swollen heads always have mediocre work themselves.

o hey tyler · Feb 24, 2012

I'm about to do a shoot down at a local Donut shop that just re-opened under new ownership. I'm probably going to use between 2-3 flashes indoors... and I'm going to do it for free.

Not because I don't charge for my work, but because I'm shooting for a non-profit that I help manage.

Call it PRO-BONO and it sounds much better than it really is.

cgipson1 · Feb 24, 2012

AnnMo said:
Well that's your opinion. I see people charging fees who use point and shoots. One of the reasons my prices are in the lower realm is because I don't feel comfortable charging more at this time, but will in the future as I learn more about my new equipment. I'm not out to rip people off. I'm an honest girl. I learned the basics of flash in college, but we never did any bouncing with them. We used strobes in the studio and other lights where we learned to bounce and use white cards, reflectors, etc. I've only had my speed light for about 4 months now. Everyone has to start somewhere! And it takes more than technical stuff to make a good image. You have to have that eye!

It's funny though how people with swollen heads always have mediocre work themselves.

Yea? If that is aimed at me, then please point out my Mediocre work...

GeorgieGirl · Feb 24, 2012

o hey tyler said:
I'm about to do a shoot down at a local Donut shop that just re-opened under new ownership. I'm probably going to use between 2-3 flashes indoors... and I'm going to do it for free.

Not because I don't charge for my work, but because I'm shooting for a non-profit that I help manage. Call it PRO-BONO and it sounds much better than it really is.

You get free donuts out of it at least???

AnnMo · Feb 24, 2012

Well if you want my honest opinion...you are complaining about my shots of people, where as your people shots (and cat shots) are not above average.

You do good with macro and landscapes, and I think if I were a bad landscape and macro shooter then I could take your complaints a lot more seriously since these are the areas you work best at.

Shooting down someones work that you can't conquer yourself isn't cool!

...I'm really willing to end this as I am getting bored with it and I don't know why you want to hurt my feelings. :thumbdown:

cgipson1 · Feb 24, 2012

AnnMo said:
Well if you want my honest opinion...you are complaining about my shots of people, where as your people shots (and cat shots) are not above average.

You do good with macro and landscapes, and I think if I were a bad landscape and macro shooter then I could take your complaints a lot more seriously since these are the areas you work best at.

Shooting down someones work that you can't conquer yourself isn't cool!

...I'm really willing to end this as I am getting bored with it and I don't know why you want to hurt my feelings. :thumbdown:

Really... are you saying my shots are out of focus? Badly lit? or what?

I could care less about your feelings! But if you are going to CHARGE for your services.. then don't be such a frigging amateur! Your clients deserve better.. even if they don't know any better!

Critique this then... candid goofing around shot... is it Out of Focus? or what....?

Koko Upside Down by CGipson Photography, on Flickr

or maybe this one:

AnnMo · Feb 24, 2012

I'm feel fine charging for my work. Actually, I feel great. You should see some of the "photographers" work in my area who charge the same prices as me. Their quality of work is much lower than mine and I do think it's a rip off. I agree with you to some extent, and I understand those types of soccer moms with cameras calling themselves photographers and charging people for it, but I do not consider myself to be in that category.

And it takes more than just being well lit and focused to make a good shot! You have to capture the moment, capture the emotion, compose it well, be good at natural documentary when you are shooting PEOPLE.

You are just a different type of photographer than me. You care more about technicalities, and I care more about feeling and the "art" side of things...and that's fine. Just accept that there is more than one way to be a photographer! We all have our own talent that may lie within different aspects of photography. You worry more about lighting and focus...I worry more about capturing the moment and putting feeling into my shots.

I'll agree to disagree with your opinion of me.

---------> And as for your critique...I don't have a problem with one, but two just looks like any old flashed out shot and I would have healed out the reflection in the pupils. (Not the catch light.)

cgipson1 · Feb 24, 2012

AnnMo said:
I'm feel fine charging for my work. Actually, I feel great. You should see some of the "photographers" work in my area who charge the same prices as me. Their quality of work is much lower than mine and I do think it's a rip off. I agree with you to some extent, and I understand those types of soccer moms with cameras calling themselves photographers and charging people for it, but I do not consider myself to be in that category.

And it takes more than just being well lit and focused to make a good shot! You have to capture the moment, capture the emotion, compose it well, be good at natural documentary when you are shooting PEOPLE.

Whatever... I don't see either art or technical prowess on your site.. so whatever!

AnnMo · Feb 24, 2012

I see some of both! Especially feeling. That's what I'm going for more than anything. I want people to feel something looking at my work.

Our photography related priorities are different. That's all.

Whatever then!

Nikon_Josh · Feb 24, 2012

AnnMo said:
I'm feel fine charging for my work. Actually, I feel great. You should see some of the "photographers" work in my area who charge the same prices as me. Their quality of work is much lower than mine and I do think it's a rip off. I agree with you to some extent, and I understand those types of soccer moms with cameras calling themselves photographers and charging people for it, but I do not consider myself to be in that category.

And it takes more than just being well lit and focused to make a good shot! You have to capture the moment, capture the emotion, compose it well, be good at natural documentary when you are shooting PEOPLE.

You are just a different type of photographer than me. You care more about technicalities, and I care more about feeling and the "art" side of things...and that's fine. Just accept that there is more than one way to be a photographer! We all have our own talent that may lie within different aspects of photography. You worry more about lighting and focus...I worry more about capturing the moment and putting feeling into my shots.

I'll agree to disagree with your opinion of me.

---------> And as for your critique...I don't have a problem with one, but two just looks like any old flashed out shot and I would have healed out the reflection in the pupils. (Not the catch light.)

ART?? Where is the art in your work?? They look like point and shoot snaps to me. :lol:

That IS not ART! Putting feeling into your shots and capturing the moment as you put it is the sort of stuff a complete Amateur reels off.

You can't face the fact your an amateur pretending to be a professional and you also seem to be failing to face the fact that Charlie is actually a better photographer than you are. What did you learn at college?? Can you tell us something that you did learn??

GeorgieGirl · Feb 24, 2012

This is really awful now.... There is no need for this sort of conflict.... I'm getting sad.

Trever1t · Feb 24, 2012

I agree...right or wrong, no sides taken it's too much. Time for both to quit.

o hey tyler · Feb 24, 2012

GeorgieGirl said:
o hey tyler said:

I'm about to do a shoot down at a local Donut shop that just re-opened under new ownership. I'm probably going to use between 2-3 flashes indoors... and I'm going to do it for free.

Not because I don't charge for my work, but because I'm shooting for a non-profit that I help manage. Call it PRO-BONO and it sounds much better than it really is.

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You get free donuts out of it at least???

Oh heck yeah I did. But they only had chocolate sugared when I got there. Still, amazing donut. I'm going back tomorrow morning to get a shot of them with full shelves behind them.