Adobe v Affinity critic

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  1. Ysarex

    Ysarex Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Please show me where someone from Serif has said so. My contacts with them have not resulted in nearly so hopeful a response. I hope that's the case because right now no one who is seriously interested in processing raw files should consider using Affinity. I understand it's new and I really hope they will address this quickly. If you know of any official announcement that says as much: link please.

    It's the worst, and I'll go so far as to say an unacceptable and unusable, solution for raw conversion currently available. No other raw converter presently available free or at any cost discards all of your work as a last step in the raw conversion process. Affinity Photo's raw conversion process is 100% forced destructive when you convert a raw file into an RGB image. If at any time in the future you decide you'd like to consider say a WB change reconsider an adjustment you applied during raw conversion all of your work was trashed and you have to start over. No other raw converter does that and I'm not sure any raw converter ever did that. Until Affinity did that I would have laughed and dismissed the very thought as nonsense.

    The ideal solution is that all work you do processing a photograph be non-destructive and non-linearly re-editable. Affinity destructively forces the opposite.

    Yep it's slow.

    Joe


     
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    Tomasko No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    I noted Raw Therapee because it's free but there are other solutions. The problem right now is that with Affinity as a follow up you're still left with the old two app solution. That's OK and may be a good solution especially if you are a hobbyist and want to keep the costs under control. The two app solution is where we're coming from and a lot of people remain still very happy with that. The problem with the two app solution involves the ideals of non-destructive and full non-linear editing/re-editing access -- the two app solution throws a wrench into the middle of that ideal.

    This is where we've all come from and many of us are still here: 1. We process a raw file with a software app (raw converter) that allows us to output an RGB image file. 2. We open that RGB image file in a second app (image editor like PS) and do additional processing before saving a final image. That process includes the break between apps. Right now many of our solutions are non-destructive or nearly so in each of those two apps but we can't non-destructively cross that break. So if we look at the final image a week later and decide we'd like to see it with a change we could end up doing a lot of the work over. Let's say you want to see the image with a WB change. You're basically negating then all the work done in app two. To make the WB change you have to return to app one and then re-generate the RGB file and re-do all the app two work. OUCH!!

    Now you may be the photographer who never needs to re-adjust or re-edit any of your photos and all of your editing decisions are and have always been perfect since you started taking photos and the idea that you would need or want to re-visit a photo and reconsider the editing you did is just silly, but it's also possible that you're like the rest of us. So how do we avoid that OUCH in the paragraph above?

    The answer is a single app process. If we can remove the break between apps and then construct the app we are using to be entirely non-destructive and non-linearly re-editable we remove the OUCH. We're not 100% there but in the last decade we've gotten very close and we're certainly better than 90% there. That's the real revolution and promise that we see in apps like LR and Capture One. They start with a raw file and have the feature set that allows us to finish without resorting to the second app -- ouchless.

    In thinking about Affinity many interesting questions come up. Affinity is a PhotoShop clone. There was a time when 100% of my photo processing was done using Photoshop. I scanned a film negative and took the scan into Photoshop. When I started processing camera raw files I wound up in the above two app solution. The raw file into ACR or DPP or PN or RT or whatever and then the RGB file into PS for additional processing. I used PS every day of my life. But here I am now in 2017 and I can go weeks at a time and never use PS. Oddly enough I use it when I scan old negatives! I can now contemplate removing PS from my computers and using something lighter weight. Adobe is well aware of this trend and so must be Serif. It's interesting to speculate what the bleep Serif was thinking creating a PS clone instead of an LR clone. And then when I discovered that Affinity is forced destructive for raw conversion I wondered if they were having a psychotic moment there.

    I hope Affinity corrects the problem with their raw processing -- I expect they will -- but they're still a throw back to the old two app solution. Right now it's LR and Capture One that best realize the single app "ouchless" solution with some notable fast-on-their-trail competition from of all companies ACDSee and one very notable open source (free) option DarkTable. This is major news: DarkTable has a Windows version up and running and hopefully will add that as a stable offering.

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    Thanks. I hope that means they'll save all raw conversion edits. If they get that right they'll have managed to reach the level of an excellent PS clone plus inexpensive anachronistic raw processing solution -- a bargain at their price point.

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