How to approach someone?

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  1. UUilliam

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    I am just back from a holiday in Southport (not so sunny :p)
    There was about half a dozen Very photogenic young ladies and many more that looked beautiful
    Now i dont want to seem like a creep running up to people and being like, "Can i take your photograph? your stunning."

    So my question is... how would you approach these people, when i say they were Photogenic i really mean it, i would be surprised if model agencies hadn't picked them up
    They were actually the perfect models, no flaws (except one's face was a little shiny but that can be fixed with some talc)
    and the other 2 were fine!
    yes yes.. so maybe i had a "Little" crush on them (they were about 18 - 22 or so they looked)
    but they were great looking models too.
     
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    ask for ID first most 14-16 yr olds look 18-22 now :lol:

    but i would just ask them if they have ever thought about modeling and go from there. you cant be scared to talk to them because they look good:lol:
     
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    nah im pretty sure they were 18+ lol well atleast 2 of 3 were anyway :p
    Their assets were... too perfect
    the 3rd was likely 17+
    i myself am 16 but it is mainly the Fashion / Glamor side of photography i would like to get into as i enjoy photo re-touching and love expressing my creativity via life models, architecture, while it has it pros, seems a little bit boring to me, whereas model photography is a little more dynamic
     
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    ahh, kids... to be young and naive. lol.

    anything you have the e-balls to say here online, you could have just as easily walked up and said to the girls. if your intentions are purely of an artistic nature, then you shouldn't come off as a "creep". and even if your intentions weren't so pure... all they can say is no. and if that's the case... move on.
    its ok. youre young. eventually you will learn that girls are nothing to be scared of. :lmao:
     
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    if i were you, cos im 17, and into fashion photography too, i'd approach them say, 'hey i am studying photography and taking pictures of many ladies like yourself to boost up my experience and portfolio, and i was wondering if you ever considered getting some semi-pro shots done then i would be more than welcome to get some for you!' and im sure it'll be a positive answer!
     
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    I approach people all the time for shots. Presenting yourself in a professional, focused manner immediately garners some respect from your potential subject. Don't stutter, speak clearly, don't mumble, and look directly at the person's eyes (or focus on the bridge of their nose if that's uncomfortable for you). Doing so will make you appear confident in what you're doing, which can put people at ease. (I've noticed that if I stutter or get tripped up on my words at all, people are much more difficult to convince. Take it slow.)

    Get them to sign a model release. This adds more professionalism to the exchange, which in turn tends to make people feel more comfortable. They also will see that you're serious about what you're doing when you ask for a model release. (One saxophonist I shot on the street was pretty thrilled that I had stopped, shot, and then asked for a release, instead of just moving on.)

    Don't bombard them with information. Introduce yourself "Excuse me. Hi, my name is <name>." Shake their hand if body language permits (this can be harder to judge without experience, but is something that can be learnt). "I'm studying photography." or "I'm working on a project." or "I'm looking to expand my portfolio." Choose one, and stick to it. Share a bit of yourself and they will be more likely to share some of themselves with you. Then ask if they would be okay with you taking their portrait. ("Portrait", as opposed to "picture", comes-off as "hey, they know what they're talking about.") Ask if they would be willing to sign a model release afterwards. If they ask why, tell them the truth&#8212;it will let you use the images as part of your work. If they ask how you'll be using them, be completely open and honest. If you're putting them online, say so. If it's just for your port or a project, say so. This will make them feel more comfortable.

    If they ask something like "You won't put my face on some porn, will you?": Explain to them that while a model release lets you use the image, they still keep a moral right to the photos, meaning that you can't use the image for any purpose that they would morally object to.

    Finally, when you're done shooting them, make sure you give them a business card where they can contact you. I find that it's great to offer to send them some of the images in an email if they write their email on the release. If you're putting the images online, be sure the card has that URL on it. The more lines of communication you open up with them, the better. I've met MUA's, potential models, and even another photographer this way.
     
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    Amazing as it may seem not every attractive person, male or female, is photogenic and some quite less than attractive people are very photogenic.

    Photogenic means a lot more than just looks. Some people just can't relax or look natural in front of a camera, and it shows.

    MusicaleCA hit a homerun on how to approach someone though I usually lead with the business card along with the hello. I don't shoot anyone until they have signed my model release. With women, I don't look them directly in the eye, for many of them, that's creepy and/or aggressive, but I don't hang my head and look at the ground either.

    Be prepared to modify a release if a subject you really want to shoot balks at a clause. I go over the release with them, before they sign. I started carrying the Getty Images model and property releases this last spring. I figure if it's good enough for Getty's lawyers....and it looks professional. I add my business name.

    When I go out to shoot on spec, I always wear a polo shirt that has my business name embroidered on it. That also helps a lot with credibility.

    I'm an older guy so I also wear on of those ole fuddy-duddy vests that have a bazillion pockets (it's embroidered too). The big pocket in the back is where I stash 15 or so releases in a big ziplock bag and I always make sure I have at least 3 ink pens and a small tablet of blank paper to make additional notes.

    Don't forget breath mints.
     
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    QFT!
     
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    Since you're only 16, there's a good chance that you will be seen as a horny teenager by many of these "older" women :lol:

    But don't despair! Here's my technique for asking women to pose nude for me which should work just fine for you as long as you don't ask them to remove their clothes. By the way, about 1 out of 3 women said yes.

    I always carried a mini portfolio with me no matter where I went. One never knows... So, when I saw a woman I thought would look good in my photos (and here I have to agree 100% with KmH: a good looking woman does not necessarily mean a good looking model) I would say: "Hi! I'm a photographer and I would be interested in doing some work with you" and I would show them my mini portfolio which was all nudes.

    They knew right away that I was not just some flake. Now, my portfolio was not porn. It was artsy nudes and it was high quality photos.


    But I know you are wondering where this portfolio came from. Very simple. Nude or clothed does not matter. 16 or mid 20s does not matter either. You start with friends.

    Two reasons for that: 1/ friends are easier to talk into posing for you. And 2/ friends will put up with a lot more of you not knowing what it is you're doing until you get some decent enough photos to stick in that portfolio.

    Cheers!
     
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    I'm not sure if photography is something you are pursuing or for a hobby, but either way if this is something you do often I would get business cards. Once you have business cards it makes it easier to approach somebody without seeming like a creep who wants a random photo. If/once you have business cards you can approach somebody with it, start small conversation if it will make the person more comfortable, and voila.

    If the business cards aren't in your 'to do' list any time soon, the 'I'm a photography student' approach works too.

    Best wishes.

    - Grace
     
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    Ding, ding, ding! Here's a cookie.
     
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    So what if you do come off as a creep? Its not like you know them.

    You'd be surprised what you can get away with when you actually TRY to get away with it.
     

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