Thanks. It was pretty much like that, very dark and never could have got it without a tripod (2.5s shutter speed). I used a Canon SX60HS, tripod, wired remote, manual exposure. I am starting to get a basic understanding so hopefully I will start to post better images in the future. I have reached a point where it feels like I probably shouldn't post images. I am starting to understand (15K of pics in a year) where I am falling short between the hardware and vision. What a journey and very difficult.