thanks every one for your info and feedback as i was saying i have both but the 1.4 and 1.8 my cam is a FD mount it is not hard to get a cheap 50mm lens in 1.8 or 1.4 i more or less just needed to see if it was a better lens or just a better look i use my 1.4 every day it is my fav. lens its funny i use over my wide angel,75mm,100mm,200,or even my 300mm i just like my little 50mm 1.4 i have a little promaster spectrun 7 auto tele converter that i use with the lens for up clsoe it works real nice