5D MK II Announced - the moon shines

MarcusM · Sep 20, 2008

jvgig said:
I am a film/video student at a local arts magnet school and am in need of a dslr and a video camera. Since I need the manual controls for both, this seems like it may provide me with what I need at a fraction of the cost of buying them separate.

Does anyone know what the quality of the video is? I read that it records at 38.6Mb/sec which is much higher than even most prosumer camcorders in the $3-5k range. Considering that it uses a cmos sensor as opposed to the 3ccd design that many video cameras use, approximately what level of camcorder does it relate to? Does anyone know anything about its audio processing capabilities with an external mic such as the Rode Stereo VideoMic?

Well, it's 1080 HD quality. The video I saw looked pretty damn good.
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/5dmark2/index.html

rjackjames · Sep 21, 2008

I think th 5D Mark II, will be a great body. I think that we are all speculating on what this camera will be like. We have seen sample images from Canon, until we see how these images look taken by a regular photographer. We have to wait until for the release in Nov, to get hands on test from the photographers themselves.

lostprophet · Sep 21, 2008

rjackjames said:
I think th 5D Mark II, will be a great body. I think that we are all speculating on what this camera will be like. We have seen sample images from Canon, until we see how these images look taken by a regular photographer. We have to wait until for the release in Nov, to get hands on test from the photographers themselves.

I've posted some photos taken by a regular photographer, me, in the subscribers forum

Chris of Arabia · Sep 21, 2008

lostprophet said:
regular photographer, me

:lmao:

...sorry Andy, couldn't resist, far too tempting

JerryPH · Sep 21, 2008

Peanuts said:
I just ordered mine and there ain't nothing you can say about it that will make me regret it. (other then my account is empty but shh....)

ROFL! Now *that's* the spirit!
Good luck with your purchase, I sincerely wish that it exceeds ALL your expectations!

rjackjames · Sep 21, 2008

I wait few more before to order mine, If i order mine now.....it will set me back, on the things i want to buy after this deployment.

peterbj7 · Sep 21, 2008

lostprophet said:
I've posted some photos taken by a regular photographer, me, in the subscribers forum

Where is that? Can you provide a link please?

usayit · Sep 21, 2008

peterbj7 said:
Where is that? Can you provide a link please?

Subscriber's forum in the TPF is only open to those that subscribe.

Bifurcator · Sep 21, 2008

Alex_B said:
But that could be due to underexposure through most part of the scene, which could be caused by carefully avoiding clipping in the highlights!

I have no idea what you mean. But if there was too much range in the scene for the range recordable by the sensor (as there is in just about every scene for ALL digital sensors in ALL cameras) I doubt it would produce the pixel soup shown in those images.

Well, both seem not well focussed either ...

If the AF is similar to that of the mk I, then I am sure I could get better focused pictures with the mk II than they did

I dunno, I could see where the focus landed in both images. there were parts that were in focus on both images. To be fair I tried to only look at the focused parts for evaluating resolve. I looked at the OOF parts for too tho.

Maybe they also used out of the box lenses. I had to get the focussing for all my lenses adjusted at the Canon service in Germany. Now they work like a charm.

OMG, really? That totally sucks. Man, that makes me not want to buy any more Canons - like ever - reading that. Really?

Bifurcator · Sep 21, 2008

jvgig said:
I am a film/video student

I was a film/video/CG teacher for a little over 8 years.

Kewl! :thumbup:

at a local arts magnet school and am in need of a dslr and a video camera. Since I need the manual controls for both, this seems like it may provide me with what I need at a fraction of the cost of buying them separate.

Does anyone know what the quality of the video is? I read that it records at 38.6Mb/sec which is much higher than even most prosumer camcorders in the $3-5k range. Considering that it uses a cmos sensor as opposed to the 3ccd design that many video cameras use, approximately what level of camcorder does it relate to? Does anyone know anything about its audio processing capabilities with an external mic such as the Rode Stereo VideoMic?

1) Does it have mic jacks? I thought it didn't. So, one of the costs here is syncing a DAT walkman with proper mic(s) for the job.

2) I don't think it relates to any camcorder. I think it's recording 4:4:4 (unconfirmed) but it has some temporal and/or delta issues that no modern camcorder has. The frame quality is excellent tho and if it could shoot in RAW I assume it would approach some of the top $50K ~ $70K cameras (in that specific regard). For it's price I don't believe anything currently comes close to it's quality and versatility.

3) The Canon dSLR does about 5 megabytes per second (storage) or about 300megs per/minute (storage) in it's 1080P mode which is about right from what you read it as 38.6Mb/sec.. And you can see how that stacks up here: http://pdf.textfiles.com/technical/ccow_fbddr.pdf

Where did you read that BTW? I had to examine recorded files.

JerryPH · Sep 21, 2008

Overread said:
ouch! you sure that was 3200 ISO?

My first thought exactly!

But evenly (if low powered) lit areas are no great challenges... what will challenge them are the shadow areas.

I'd love to see the shadow side of a late evening tree or a dark shadowy room with variances of light... THAT will tell you how good it really is.

Not to worry, that D700 is still on my Christmas list.

JerryPH · Sep 21, 2008

Overread said:
some examples of the 5DM2 at high ISO levels:
http://www.prophotonut.com/2008/09/20/canon-5d-mk2-high-iso-pictures/#more-724

click on the photos to link to the fullsized versions. Its a big improvment from my little 400D!

Its darned clean for sure, but that ISO 1000 did not impress me... after I saw that D700 at 6400 shot. The D700 shot "looked" to have less noise than that background did on the above site.

Of course this doesn't mean anything to anyone but me... lol

jvgig · Sep 21, 2008

Bifurcator said:
I was a film/video/CG teacher for a little over 8 years. Kewl! :thumbup:

1) Does it have mic jacks? I thought it didn't. So, one of the costs here is syncing a DAT walkman with proper mic(s) for the job.

2) I don't think it relates to any camcorder. I think it's recording 4:4:4 (unconfirmed) but it has some temporal and/or delta issues that no modern camcorder has. The frame quality is excellent tho and if it could shoot in RAW I assume it would approach some of the top $50K ~ $70K cameras (in that specific regard). For it's price I don't believe anything currently comes close to it's quality and versatility.

3) The Canon dSLR does about 5 megabytes per second (storage) or about 300megs per/minute (storage) in it's 1080P mode which is about right from what you read it as 38.6Mb/sec.. And you can see how that stacks up here: http://pdf.textfiles.com/technical/ccow_fbddr.pdf

Where did you read that BTW? I had to examine recorded files.

It does not have XLR inputs, but according to the dpreview, it has a 3.5mm mic input on the bottom.

Everything I know is what I have read here and from the dpreview preview.

Bifurcator · Sep 21, 2008

Kewl! I didn't know it did! It's awesome that it does. :thumbup: It's a good move on Canon's part - it's a needed feature IMHO.

jvgig · Sep 21, 2008

its really interesting that it does. it shows that canon has intentions of making this into a viable alternative to their video cameras or maybe merging the two groups. from some of my recent readings it is speculated that the image quality could be better than video cameras in the $10k+ range and even better than $100k+ setups in low light performance.