5D MK II Announced - the moon shines

[peterbj7]

..... if there was too much range in the scene for the range recordable by the sensor (as there is in just about every scene for ALL digital sensors in ALL cameras .....)

\How long do you think before cameras appear which are capable of compressing the dynamic range? So that in effect they produce an "HDR" image? After all, the purpose of a camera is to replicate what the eye sees, and in scenes with extreme contrast the eye can adapt and see details that no camera currently can. Sound recorders with a comparable capability have been around for a long time, and most broadcasting stations compress their output as they know the result more closely matches what the ear would have heard had it been where the mike was.

 

[Bifurcator]

How long do you think before cameras appear which are capable of compressing the dynamic range?

Many do that already.

So that in effect they produce an "HDR" image?

If you mean the tone mapped images we see posted on sites like this then never! And I hope it's never ever considered either. Well, unless they're going to consider other artistic image processing like canvas texturing, automatic boarder frames, generated lens flares, ND gradients, and etc.

After all, the purpose of a camera is to replicate what the eye sees, and in scenes with extreme contrast the eye can adapt and see details that no camera currently can. Sound recorders with a comparable capability have been around for a long time, and most broadcasting stations compress their output as they know the result more closely matches what the ear would have heard had it been where the mike was.

I'm not sure I agree with any of that. Oh well, no biggy. But some people speculate that in heaven sight will include a much broader light spectrum that only cameras can record now and that human eyes can't detect. Sounds weird to me. I guess I'll know for sure after I die. I just hope I die before they put heavily compressed tone mapping in cameras.

 

[peterbj7]

Many do that already

Can you name me any? I've not yet come across one.

 

[Bifurcator]

The Fuji (I guess the S3??) was the first camera I saw to offer this. I've since seen 6 or 7 others from various manufacturers that hint to or claim such results or at least better results from replacing clipped highlight and shadow areas with alternate range segments.

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19630

http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/fujifilm-finepix-s5-pro/4505-6501_7-32082363.html
"...the company's Super CCD SR Pro imaging sensor, which combines two photodetectors per pixel in an attempt to create a wider dynamic range than you'd get from a normal sensor."

I believe the Pentax cameras are doing something similar. It's not the crazy out of control tone-mapping that we see on sites like this thankfully, but there is a very noticeable difference and clipped highlights and shadows are much more rare on these cameras!

Unfortunately it's rather hard to search for because a billion retarded camera nuts misuse "HDR" as a term to describe tone-mapping. So searches return thousands of incorrect results.

 

[Hawaii Five-O]

sigh - us poor nature photographers - why are we forced to the top end to get the basics that we need (weather sealing!)

My old p&s has that

 

[Overread19 7]

not sure if this is up somewhere yet, but video quality from the 5DM2
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086

I really really want to play with this in macro!

 

[Benthic]

Is there and official release date for this camera? I've heard 'November' on here, but I've been unable to find any information anywhere else.

Brian

 

[Chris of Arabia]

Is there and official release date for this camera? I've heard 'November' on here, but I've been unable to find any information anywhere else.

Brian

I'm pretty sure the date is listed on dpreview if nowhere else.

 

[usayit]

That's pretty darn impressive.... I am pretty sure now that Canon needs to get better people to produce samples.

 

[Chris of Arabia]

That's pretty darn impressive.... I am pretty sure now that Canon needs to get better people to produce samples.

Check out the new Sigma thread - that's an example of what better people can do IMHO - if the 5DII isn't comfortably capable of that sort of stuff, then I'd say Canon will have missed the boat for a very long time.

 

[usayit]

I was actually referring to the video sample from the 5DMII

 

[Overread19 7]

That's pretty darn impressive.... I am pretty sure now that Canon needs to get better people to produce samples.

someone asked this on another site and I said this:

I think also there is a quality issue with photographers - a sample image from Canon which is perfection would give the impression that that is the adverage quality of the camera - leading to mass complaints of bad/fautly cameras when people with less skills get hold of them. Waiting for the pro photographers after release instead means that the adverage person can see the quality at minimum on the Canon website- and see the quality in the hands of a pro online - giving them a range of qualities rather than just top end results.
That means when they get shots that are not tack sharp they are not going to as likley blame the camera and return it for repairs and blame canon for a bad product

 

[Chris of Arabia]

I was actually referring to the video sample from the 5DMII

Yeah, I realised that. It does show what can be done by someone who really knows their game. It's well past the standards of Uncle Joe and his old 16mm.

 

[S2K1]

someone asked this on another site and I said this:

I think also there is a quality issue with photographers - a sample image from Canon which is perfection would give the impression that that is the adverage quality of the camera - leading to mass complaints of bad/fautly cameras when people with less skills get hold of them. Waiting for the pro photographers after release instead means that the adverage person can see the quality at minimum on the Canon website- and see the quality in the hands of a pro online - giving them a range of qualities rather than just top end results.
That means when they get shots that are not tack sharp they are not going to as likley blame the camera and return it for repairs and blame canon for a bad product

That actually makes sense.

 

[lostprophet]

someone asked this on another site and I said this:

I think also there is a quality issue with photographers - a sample image from Canon which is perfection would give the impression that that is the adverage quality of the camera - leading to mass complaints of bad/fautly cameras when people with less skills get hold of them. Waiting for the pro photographers after release instead means that the adverage person can see the quality at minimum on the Canon website- and see the quality in the hands of a pro online - giving them a range of qualities rather than just top end results.
That means when they get shots that are not tack sharp they are not going to as likley blame the camera and return it for repairs and blame canon for a bad product

and its those sort of people that are the bane of my life :er: