60D vs 70D

[robbins.photo]

Hey now…let's lay off the Canon shooters.


before this gets out of hand.

Lol.. just trying to help Jaca out before he goes over the edge. Seriously though, even though I'm a Nikon guy myself I don't have any problem with folks that prefer Canon. I'm also a Pepsi drinker, but it's not like I'm going to berate a guy for buying a Coke instead. Whatever floats your boat really.

 

[JacaRanda]

Hey now&hellip;let's lay off the Canon shooters. <img
src="http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61462"/> before this gets out of hand.

John Harrington is my bosses name. Hmmmm...

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[JacaRanda]

Lol.. just trying to help Jaca out before he goes over the edge. Seriously though, even though I'm a Nikon guy myself I don't have any problem with folks that prefer Canon. I'm also a Pepsi drinker, but it's not like I'm going to berate a guy for buying a Coke instead. Whatever floats your boat really.

I need all the help I can get!

Actually, I don't have a preference. I could have easily been a Nikonian or Nikoner.

My goal is to eventually get to thumb wrestle with Derrel at a buffet joint. Then pick his brain on camera gear.

I also want to be featured in one of those cartoons he does. I am jealous of KThor.

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[jsecordphoto]

I'm in the same boat, getting really discouraged with my 60D while shooting at night. I know astrophotography tends to push a camera's sensor to it's limits, but I have been consistently disappointed the last few nights

 

[robbins.photo]

Lol.. just trying to help Jaca out before he goes over the edge. Seriously though, even though I'm a Nikon guy myself I don't have any problem with folks that prefer Canon. I'm also a Pepsi drinker, but it's not like I'm going to berate a guy for buying a Coke instead. Whatever floats your boat really.

I need all the help I can get!

Actually, I don't have a preference. I could have easily been a Nikonian or Nikoner.

My goal is to eventually get to thumb wrestle with Derrel at a buffet joint. Then pick his brain on camera gear.

I also want to be featured in one of those cartoons he does. I am jealous of KThor.

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My goal is to get Derrel to take a selfie of himself thundering by on horseback firing away at the crowd to show how good VR really is.. lol - but the thumb wrestling thing would be good too. For me I went Nikon primarily because at least with the cheaper, more entry level / mid range gear the still image quality is better. The shooting speed seems to be better on the Canon's when you compare their XXd line to a fairly equivalently priced Nikon, but generally the difference between the two isn't a huge huge difference as far as FPS. The other thing I really looked at was low light performance, again on the entry/mid range bodies when you compare Canon to a similarly priced Nikon offering the Nikon's generally give better performance in low light - again of course I'm speaking of the entry level/mid range bodies which were within my budget.

So if I did more sports photography I might have opted for the Canon, but as it is I figured I'd get more bang for my buck going Nikon for both the better image quality and the better low light performance. If I had a much larger budget and could get into something like a 5d Mark III, well who knows, I might have gone a different direction. But I'm one of those folks who realizes that not everyone uses a camera the same way I do and that different people prioritize features and options differently than I will, even if they are working on the same budget.

 

[Dao]

I'm in the same boat, getting really discouraged with my 60D while shooting at night. I know astrophotography tends to push a camera's sensor to it's limits, but I have been consistently disappointed the last few nights

Were you taking photos with long exposure?

 

[jsecordphoto]

Yes...between 20-30 seconds at iso3200. I was out last night with another guy who takes some of the best astro-photos I've ever seen. He uses a full frame nikon, not sure what model, and a similar lens to what I was using and the dynamic range he was getting compared to me was insane. I realize comparing a "prosumer" or whatever crop sensor to a full frame camera isn't really fair, but it sure was discouraging. I heard they upgraded the sensor for the 70D so I wonder how that is.

 

[canonbraden]

The sensor in the T3 and the 60D is the same. And the difference to the 70D is really minimal. I'd suggest going to the 6D.

Yeah, the 6D is an option.. Just not now. Hahah I barely have enough for a 60 or 70D.
Although the 6D would be an amazing choice, I just don't have the money for it.

 

[canonbraden]

I'm in the same boat, getting really discouraged with my 60D while shooting at night. I know astrophotography tends to push a camera's sensor to it's limits, but I have been consistently disappointed the last few nights

Yeah I like shooting at night too, so something with great low light performance (like the 6D) would be amazing.

 

[robbins.photo]

Yes...between 20-30 seconds at iso3200. I was out last night with another guy who takes some of the best astro-photos I've ever seen. He uses a full frame nikon, not sure what model, and a similar lens to what I was using and the dynamic range he was getting compared to me was insane. I realize comparing a "prosumer" or whatever crop sensor to a full frame camera isn't really fair, but it sure was discouraging. I heard they upgraded the sensor for the 70D so I wonder how that is.

Well at the risk of starting a Nikon vrs Canon holy war again.. lol - I would point out that Nikon bodies generally have better dynamic range than their Canon counterparts in the same price range, and often better than Canon's that are well above their price range. My little D5100 for example has better dynamic range than a 70d, in fact oddly enough not even the 6d matches the dynamic range of my trusty old D5100.

 

[Dao]

Yes...between 20-30 seconds at iso3200. I was out last night with another guy who takes some of the best astro-photos I've ever seen. He uses a full frame nikon, not sure what model, and a similar lens to what I was using and the dynamic range he was getting compared to me was insane. I realize comparing a "prosumer" or whatever crop sensor to a full frame camera isn't really fair, but it sure was discouraging. I heard they upgraded the sensor for the 70D so I wonder how that is.

First, I am not an expert on this but I read something in the past that someone mentioned a term "Dark Frame Subtraction" for astrophotography.

Dark-frame subtraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, I never done that but it may worth a look if you has issue with the noise due to long exposure.

 

[jsecordphoto]

noise is not really the real issue here, it's the fact that for the same exposure times, my foregrounds looked like dark blobs while he was able to pull detail from them. While the noise on my 60D does get bad after iso1600 I'm more concerned about the dynamic range

 

[SweetJem]

I used to have the Rebel T1i and loved it, then upgraded to the 60D. I've had the 60D for quite some time now and really loved it. No problems with it whatsoever.