7D mark II rumours ?

Derrel · Feb 27, 2014

The host of The Art of The Image has eight pretty good features that would be nice to see in a 7D Mark II. Canon could probably hit almost all of those points without too much trouble, but HONESTLY...I can absolutely NOT see how Canon can hit 24 megapixels or more on a 1.6x size sensor AND deliver the good, clean ISO 6,400, let alone the 12,800 quality imaging performance he thinks absolutely necessary UNTIL Canon updates its sensor fab technology to the 0.19 micron process that Sony has...Canon is still using their old .50 micron technology...I simply can NOT see how they can make an all-Canon camera/sensor using their current sensor fabrication technology. As an aside, according to Thom Hogan, the the Nikon/Sony exclusive use contract for the 36 MP sensor in the Sony A7r and the Nikon D800 is set to expire soon; Sony will be free to sell that sensor to ANYBODY with the money for it...it's a fine, fine sensor...and Sony has made a lot of money off of it...I am wondering if there might be a FF Canon 8D; a SMALL-body, full-frame, built on a Sony or a Toshiba sensor.

The Nikon D600 and D610 proved that a full-frame sensor camera CAN EASILY be built of an APS-C camera's body and mirror/shutter sub-systems. Until the D600, then D610, many people said it was not possible to build a FF camera on an APS-C chassis/body/viewing/shutter system. WRONG!!!!!!! It can be done! The 7D as it stands is perfectly FINE in every respect, except its 2008-era sensor technology. A 24-MP or 36-MP FF 7D follow-on camera could be a big hit I think.

2014 ought to be an interesting year for cameras. Hogan reported not too long ago that both Fuji AND Pentax (owned by Ricoh now) are expected to announce full-frame cameras by the end of 2014. With the new 6D, Nikon D610, and the two Sony A7 series bodies, 24MP FF is "kind of a thing" nowadays. An "8D" would be a nice camera I think. A true Canon 7D-Mark II with say a 24-MP Toshiba-made sensor, like one Nikon is using right now, might also be a possibility, and would IMMEDIATELY rocket Canon's DR and color depth stats upward. Canon ALREADY has a good,solid body!

coastalconn · Feb 27, 2014

goodguy said:
As a Nikon guy I gotta tell ya I cant wait for the 7D II to come out, why ?
Because I have a feeling that soon after that Nikon will come out with the D400.
Frankly I don't care about this mystical D400 but I know so many people are dreaming of this camera and if they will get it they will STOP talking about how bad they want it..............and there will be peace again

Yup, I'm that guy

That was my first thought when I saw the rumor

MGRPhoto · Feb 28, 2014

Overread said:
Canon doesn't have many rumours - they keep a very tight hold over production details. The only time rumours really get out is when production models are sent out for field testing and get seen or when news is already released a few days early to various external sources (and thus a few sources leak early).

Most Rumour is actually not a rumour but more guesswork based upon Canon's previous release patterns and upon what's expected. The 7D has sold well and in the 70D Canon kept in line with the 60D which supports the idea that the mid-range crop sensor format is still valid and being continued by Canon. As a result the idea that they will release a higher end crop sensor - a replacement for the 7D - is a very likely chance.

In my opinion the only thing that will kill a new 7D is if Canon pushes toward a fullframe sensor format across a greater part of their range. It's not impossible as with high MP sensors cropping is a much more viable option for todays digital cameras.

The 5D Mark II, 5D Mark III, 1D Mark IV and 1D X were some of the most leaked and rumored about electronic devices (aside from smartphones) I've ever seen.

JacaRanda · Feb 28, 2014

coastalconn said:
goodguy said:

As a Nikon guy I gotta tell ya I cant wait for the 7D II to come out, why ?
Because I have a feeling that soon after that Nikon will come out with the D400.
Frankly I don't care about this mystical D400 but I know so many people are dreaming of this camera and if they will get it they will STOP talking about how bad they want it..............and there will be peace again

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Yup, I'm that guy That was my first thought when I saw the rumor

I read somewhere and maybe posted somewhere that Nikon and Canon were/are jockeying in regards to the two respective upgrades. Will someone just pull the damned trigger already!!!!

Derrel · Feb 28, 2014

JacaRanda said:
I read somewhere and maybe posted somewhere that Nikon and Canon were/are jockeying in regards to the two respective upgrades. Will someone just pull the damned trigger already!!!!

It sure is hard to understand WHY both Canon and Nikon have utterly ignored iterating or updating their highest-grade APS-C body for so,so long! But, I guess they both sell a whole heck of a lot more entry- and mid-tier APS-C bodies, and both have spent a lot of time coming up with their respective entry-level full-frame bodies, the 6D and the D600/D610. As I understand it, a low-cost FF body makes the camera makers something like another $800 in PROFIT over an APS-C camera, since the sensor is not all that much more costly, but the retail price is another $1,000 or a bit higher, than for a comparable APS-C camera. With the camera sales market having slowed wayyyyyy down, I think Canon and Nikon realllllllly want to sell more $2,300 full-frame bodies than they do $1699-$1899 high-end APS-C cameras like the 7D and D300s.

The FF cameras also move "new users" to FF lenses and stuff...no more $105 18-55 kit lenses...instead people start looking at $800-class Canon 24-105 f/4 L IS USM lenses, and the even more-expensive 24-120 AF-S VR-G Nikkor.

It almost seems like Canon and Nikon are in this damned business just for their own profit motive, and not to kiss out butts as consumers! WUT???????????

JacaRanda · Feb 28, 2014

Derrel said:
JacaRanda said:

I read somewhere and maybe posted somewhere that Nikon and Canon were/are jockeying in regards to the two respective upgrades. Will someone just pull the damned trigger already!!!!

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It sure is hard to understand WHY both Canon and Nikon have utterly ignored iterating or updating their highest-grade APS-C body for so,so long! But, I guess they both sell a whole heck of a lot more entry- and mid-tier APS-C bodies, and both have spent a lot of time coming up with their respective entry-level full-frame bodies, the 6D and the D600/D610. As I understand it, a low-cost FF body makes the camera makers something like another $800 in PROFIT over an APS-C camera, since the sensor is not all that much more costly, but the retail price is another $1,000 or a bit higher, than for a comparable APS-C camera. With the camera sales market having slowed wayyyyyy down, I think Canon and Nikon realllllllly want to sell more $2,300 full-frame bodies than they do $1699-$1899 high-end APS-C cameras like the 7D and D300s.

The FF cameras also move "new users" to FF lenses and stuff...no more $105 18-55 kit lenses...instead people start looking at $800-class Canon 24-105 f/4 L IS USM lenses, and the even more-expensive 24-120 AF-S VR-G Nikkor.

It almost seems like Canon and Nikon are in this damned business just for their own profit motive, and not to kiss out butts as consumers! WUT???????????

Haaa, can't you just imagine them lurking in TPF just giggling at us? They have probably thrown in a post or two just to get us started. They are COMMUNISTS!

JerryLove · Feb 28, 2014

Don't make the 70D too good or it will undercut the 6D. Don't give the 6D all those AF points or it will undercut the 5DmkIII, and so on and so forth.
Porsche cripples the Cayman to avoid gutting the 911.
Microsoft cut hundreds of things (such as a much improved Notepad) to protect others (in that case: Word).

The term is "strategic cost".

Sadly, this does nothing for the consumer but hurt them.

mckeonkent · Feb 28, 2014

I have the 70d and love it. Hopefully the 7d will have a higher bit rate and 1080 60p and not just make a more rugged 70d. Canon 7D Mark II should have duel card slots. One for SD and another for compact flash. It should also feature 1080p 60p since Nikon D3200 already have that. It needs a headphone jack,and duel card slot with clean hdmi.

It needs better high ISO, duel SD card slots and 10 fps or higher and keep the joystick! Forget a flip out screen and GPS/WiFi and all that movie stuff, people can get a 70D if they want that stuff. The 7D MK2 or whatever it'll be called needs to be a wildlife/sports camera first and foremost. 

Overread · Feb 28, 2014

If they went duel card I'd honestly prefer if it were both two CF cards - rather than separate kinds. They could take the popup flash out to make a little more room inside.

minicoop1985 · Mar 1, 2014

As a newer 7D user, I can say that these features, while they do sound nice, aren't going to make me jump for joy. I'm white, therefore I can't jump anyway. 18 mp vs 24.1 (the .1 is the most important part) just isn't enough of a difference. 61 point AF sure sounds fancy, but I have zero issues with the 19 I have now. I will admit, less high ISO noise would be nice though.

EIngerson · Mar 1, 2014

If you're willing to pay $2200 for a 7D MK ii why not throw in the extra few hundred and get the 5D MK III?

JacaRanda · Mar 1, 2014

EIngerson said:
If you're willing to pay $2200 for a 7D MK ii why not throw in the extra few hundred and get the 5D MK III?

That difference of a grand could mean getting a nice lens for wildlife and birding shots. That being said, I have seen some really nice results from 5D mk iii 400mm lens with t.c. Temptation is there.

EIngerson · Mar 1, 2014

JacaRanda said:
EIngerson said:

If you're willing to pay $2200 for a 7D MK ii why not throw in the extra few hundred and get the 5D MK III?

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That difference of a grand could mean getting a nice lens for wildlife and birding shots. That being said, I have seen some really nice results from 5D mk iii 400mm lens with t.c. Temptation is there.