Thx everyone for the comments. Terri... I will go back this winter and take a shot for ya. There's one thing I have to keep in mind this time of year here in FL. and in woody places like so, is the snakes. I had shorts on and flip flops and a tank top on at the time and the mosquitoes , "remember them jokers JonMikal" lol , tore my bass up !! Not a fun place to explore right now belieeeve me. Thanks again for looking. 8 )