Anonymous takes down GoDaddy - Millions of sites down

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Go Daddy denies hack, blames internal problems for outage


Go Daddy denies hack, blames internal problems for outage - The Washington Post

So they weren't hacked they're just incompetent? That's good for business. I figured they'd say Danica crashed it like she does her race cars.

Computer systems fail, servers fail, cars fail, it’s going to happen regardless of what setup you have or what experience your people have. How is this incompetence? Two space shuttles have blown up, Apollo 13 suffered an O2 tank explosion and mission critical computers fail on the International Space Station from time to time. Does that mean NASA is full of incompetence? Don’t think so.

Have you ever taken a poor picture before and thought it could have been done better? I guess you’re incompetent as well.

Incompetent in that they had no emergency back up plan ready to switch to a different server location. Could have been a lot less downtime. If you have that many businesses relying on you it's kind of silly not to have that.

 

[2WheelPhoto]

Emergency back up systems fail, power back up systems fail, the transfer to back up systems fail, software to drive back ups fail, etc

No such thing as a "perfect anything" when it comes to technology. The NASDAQ system failed the same morning the FB IPO kicked off, and try and count all the back ups and back up contingency plans in place for failure events.

 

[Dao]

But it is hard to understand why it took them 7 hours to fix a corrupted router table.

 

[12sndsgood]

I give my props to the person(s) who did this, to an extent. It clearly got some news for Anon, which I adore, but they could have done it a bit different.

Actually, it was a great way of showing power, and I love that they did it. Granted, I'm also an advocate for privacy on the internet. That's why I (when I feel like it) run my internet connection through a proxy in France or Africa.

So you advocate disrupting millions of websites, causing people to lost money and time... just because you think it is Cool or something? What, are you twelve years old, with no sense of social responsibility?

^^ she's 15.

I actually support this completely. Any business which is hosted by Godaddy financially supports SOPA, making it a legitimate target. I think what Anon did is social responsibility.

If you don't want to be targeted in acts of civil disobedience, don't support companies which take on controversial positions.

so your saying if i disagree with a law that you like, its okay for me to attack you and potentially destroy your livelyhood? sorry I find that pathetic. so you don't support sopa, its controversial. so your cool with me hacking your buisness?

 

[Kazooie]

So you advocate disrupting millions of websites, causing people to lost money and time... just because you think it is Cool or something? What, are you twelve years old, with no sense of social responsibility?

^^ she's 15.

I actually support this completely. Any business which is hosted by Godaddy financially supports SOPA, making it a legitimate target. I think what Anon did is social responsibility.

If you don't want to be targeted in acts of civil disobedience, don't support companies which take on controversial positions.

so your saying if i disagree with a law that you like, its okay for me to attack you and potentially destroy your livelyhood? sorry I find that pathetic. so you don't support sopa, its controversial. so your cool with me hacking your buisness?

Let me ask you this: What advantages will SOPA do for America? Are you going to start shelling out money for every song you've heard *about* even though you might might not like it, because you couldn't hear it before on youtube? How about all the wealth of information on the entire internet, quotes from books, clips from movies, pictures, everything just gone. All because a group of people want you to buy it from them only, see it from their site only, etc.

So no, I am not saying that, but I am saying that if I was a public company/organization and I announced that I supported a law that was *negative* to society (academic set-backs are never good for the world) then I would, at least in the back of the mind, expect to appear on someone's agenda of problem-people.

But let's put you in someone else's shoes: Imagine you invested hours and days copying paragraphs from a text-book onto a website for a group of friends who are so poor that they have to work all day doing manual labor instead of in school. Since they can't be in school because they have to have a home and food on the table, they in essence have no future. So you, out of the kindness of your heart, supply them with a online version of a text book so they can study and get a high school diploma. But oh wait, you were giving those kids copyright material that belongs to some rich guy who wants more money. Sorry, can't let that happen, those kids just have to keep cleaning toilets and moving dumpsters because they were born into a bad situation.

And THAT is why I dislike SOPA, because it hinders the majority and helps the few.

 

[Helen B]

If your livelihood depends on your web presence, don't you have a responsibility to yourself to ensure, to a practical extent, that there is no single point of failure? To check that, if you are relying completely on somebody else that that somebody has, for example, a redundant DNS server? If they don't then get that redundancy elsewhere. Do any of you really think that GoDaddy can be trusted with your livelihood? If you are willing to trust them, don't whine when they fail.

 

[12sndsgood]

^^ she's 15.

I actually support this completely. Any business which is hosted by Godaddy financially supports SOPA, making it a legitimate target. I think what Anon did is social responsibility.

If you don't want to be targeted in acts of civil disobedience, don't support companies which take on controversial positions.

so your saying if i disagree with a law that you like, its okay for me to attack you and potentially destroy your livelyhood? sorry I find that pathetic. so you don't support sopa, its controversial. so your cool with me hacking your buisness?

Let me ask you this: What advantages will SOPA do for America? Are you going to start shelling out money for every song you've heard *about* even though you might might not like it, because you couldn't hear it before on youtube? How about all the wealth of information on the entire internet, quotes from books, clips from movies, pictures, everything just gone. All because a group of people want you to buy it from them only, see it from their site only, etc.

So no, I am not saying that, but I am saying that if I was a public company/organization and I announced that I supported a law that was *negative* to society (academic set-backs are never good for the world) then I would, at least in the back of the mind, expect to appear on someone's agenda of problem-people.

But let's put you in someone else's shoes: Imagine you invested hours and days copying paragraphs from a text-book onto a website for a group of friends who are so poor that they have to work all day doing manual labor instead of in school. Since they can't be in school because they have to have a home and food on the table, they in essence have no future. So you, out of the kindness of your heart, supply them with a online version of a text book so they can study and get a high school diploma. But oh wait, you were giving those kids copyright material that belongs to some rich guy who wants more money. Sorry, can't let that happen, those kids just have to keep cleaning toilets and moving dumpsters because they were born into a bad situation.

And THAT is why I dislike SOPA, because it hinders the majority and helps the few.

Problem here is you think i'm for SOPA. i'm not i'm completly against it. diffrence is you feel its okay for someone to attack a company, disrupt them disrupt probalby hundreds of thousands of people potentialll causing tons of lost revenue. for thousands of people who have nothing to do with this.

you just happen to be against SOPA so you think "its okay to screw over a company" but what happens when someone who is for SOPA happens to take down say the bank you keep your money at. will it be okay then when you can't get your money out to pay your bills? most likely you won't like it.

 

[12sndsgood]

If your livelihood depends on your web presence, don't you have a responsibility to yourself to ensure, to a practical extent, that there is no single point of failure? To check that, if you are relying completely on somebody else that that somebody has, for example, a redundant DNS server? If they don't then get that redundancy elsewhere. Do any of you really think that GoDaddy can be trusted with your livelihood? If you are willing to trust them, don't whine when they fail.

Do you drive your car to work? if you do. your depending on your car for your livelyhood. would you ***** if your car broke down and left you stranded. sure most of us would. you depend on so many things for your livelyhood in everyday life. and when things happen, people are going to complain. but you can't really compare this to your care breaking down. you can compare this to someone coming over and flattening all your tires. the car is still broken down. but its not the car's fault. its the person who flattened your tires.

 

[ClickAddict]

^^ she's 15.

I actually support this completely. Any business which is hosted by Godaddy financially supports SOPA, making it a legitimate target. I think what Anon did is social responsibility.

If you don't want to be targeted in acts of civil disobedience, don't support companies which take on controversial positions.

so your saying if i disagree with a law that you like, its okay for me to attack you and potentially destroy your livelyhood? sorry I find that pathetic. so you don't support sopa, its controversial. so your cool with me hacking your buisness?

Let me ask you this: What advantages will SOPA do for America? Are you going to start shelling out money for every song you've heard *about* even though you might might not like it, because you couldn't hear it before on youtube? How about all the wealth of information on the entire internet, quotes from books, clips from movies, pictures, everything just gone. All because a group of people want you to buy it from them only, see it from their site only, etc.

So no, I am not saying that, but I am saying that if I was a public company/organization and I announced that I supported a law that was *negative* to society (academic set-backs are never good for the world) then I would, at least in the back of the mind, expect to appear on someone's agenda of problem-people.

But let's put you in someone else's shoes: Imagine you invested hours and days copying paragraphs from a text-book onto a website for a group of friends who are so poor that they have to work all day doing manual labor instead of in school. Since they can't be in school because they have to have a home and food on the table, they in essence have no future. So you, out of the kindness of your heart, supply them with a online version of a text book so they can study and get a high school diploma. But oh wait, you were giving those kids copyright material that belongs to some rich guy who wants more money. Sorry, can't let that happen, those kids just have to keep cleaning toilets and moving dumpsters because they were born into a bad situation.

And THAT is why I dislike SOPA, because it hinders the majority and helps the few.

And if that kid needs a car to get to his job, can you give me your address so I can go steal yours and give it to him?????
Just cause you can copy something doesn't mean it has no value. An artist can't live off one sale and a millions downaloded illegal copies. You are stealing from him. This is a photography forum. Digital content's worth should be clear to anyone here. (And I am against SOPA, but some other lesser reaching law is needed)

 

[unpopular]

So you advocate disrupting millions of websites, causing people to lost money and time... just because you think it is Cool or something? What, are you twelve years old, with no sense of social responsibility?

^^ she's 15.

I actually support this completely. Any business which is hosted by Godaddy financially supports SOPA, making it a legitimate target. I think what Anon did is social responsibility.

If you don't want to be targeted in acts of civil disobedience, don't support companies which take on controversial positions.

so your saying if i disagree with a law that you like, its okay for me to attack you and potentially destroy your livelyhood? sorry I find that pathetic. so you don't support sopa, its controversial. so your cool with me hacking your buisness?

All I have to say to this is that there are consequences for everything we do and everything we believe, these consequences is what makes us responsible in a free society. Just as I locking my doors at night isn't saying that that thieves and rapists are entitled, I'm not saying that hacking businesses should be protected, but there are also no innocent victims in these situations and whether it's illegal or not, or even if they should have or shouldn't have does not affect what has happened, or really, what will happen.

If a business refuses to serve anyone except white people, and their shop is vandalized, few people would feel sorry for the shop owner. We might agree that the vandals were not in the "right", but whether they are in the "wrong" is less certain. If this was done 65 years ago in a Southern state, the degree of certainty might be more ambiguous.

The act is very similar, vandalism, what has changed is the social acceptability of the circumstances. So I don't think our support is an issue of one's livelihood, but rather the circumstances which surround the action.

 

[12sndsgood]

I guess that is where we differ on this. I believe that as long as people are following the law then they are in the right, wether I agree on there stance or not. If you don't like the law, then go out and change it in a legal way. This country is a place where people should be able to have completly diffrent viewpoints, I feel sorry for this country if people start thinking its okay to "vandalize" other people just because they have a different viewpoint then my own.

 

[cgipson1]

But let's put you in someone else's shoes: Imagine you invested hours and days copying paragraphs from a text-book onto a website for a group of friends who are so poor that they have to work all day doing manual labor instead of in school. Since they can't be in school because they have to have a home and food on the table, they in essence have no future. So you, out of the kindness of your heart, supply them with a online version of a text book so they can study and get a high school diploma. But oh wait, you were giving those kids copyright material that belongs to some rich guy who wants more money. Sorry, can't let that happen, those kids just have to keep cleaning toilets and moving dumpsters because they were born into a bad situation.

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so poor that they have to work all day doing manual labor instead of in school???? And yet they have a computer and online access to access your stolen "book" ??? Something is wrong with this picture!

 

[unpopular]

ehh. Computers are a one-time investment, it's the reoccurring expenses that break people, and internet access is easy to come by. I don't see a problem with the story at all.

Even homeless people have internet access at the library. of course, libraries also have books.

 

[Helen B]

If your livelihood depends on your web presence, don't you have a responsibility to yourself to ensure, to a practical extent, that there is no single point of failure? To check that, if you are relying completely on somebody else that that somebody has, for example, a redundant DNS server? If they don't then get that redundancy elsewhere. Do any of you really think that GoDaddy can be trusted with your livelihood? If you are willing to trust them, don't whine when they fail.

Do you drive your car to work? if you do. your depending on your car for your livelyhood. would you ***** if your car broke down and left you stranded. sure most of us would. you depend on so many things for your livelyhood in everyday life. and when things happen, people are going to complain. but you can't really compare this to your care breaking down. you can compare this to someone coming over and flattening all your tires. the car is still broken down. but its not the car's fault. its the person who flattened your tires.

Analogies are always problematic. Right now I live only 4 miles from the studio, so I often walk - it happens to be a pleasant walk along a bank of the Hudson. I can also take the subway or the bus. I don't have a car right now, but if I needed one I could and would rent or borrow if my livelihood depended on it. Most of my life I have also had a bicycle. I've worked as a cinematographer for quite a lot of my life, and the idea of not turning up to a shoot because my car broke down is just not acceptable, and it is something I took care to avoid.

My original post did, however, include the phrase "to a practical extent" which implies that one should weigh up the likelihood, prevention cost and potential damage extent of the failure of something that one relies on. You and I have different attitudes towards personal responsibility, perhaps. Bad things happen, whether through incompetence, accident or malice, and it is up to us to be prepared for them. In this case it wasn't someone letting the tyres down, it was a failure by GoDaddy, which I guess is the car in your analogy.

Putting the analogy aside, do you disagree with the idea that those whose livelihood depends on the interwebs should consider having some redundancy in their system?

 

[SamSpade1941]

My opinion having worked in information security is that SOPA is bad it will do nothing at all to help in mitigating potential threats. Thats what information security is about mitigation or reducing risk. As a personal liberty advocate I absolutely am against anymore government legislation that regulates just about anything. We have have such voluminous amounts of regulation now that no one can can comprehend or even pretend to follow all of the regulations. Not even the the the regulators. The maze of laws and regulations is stifling and terrifying for businesses as well as individuals to try and be in compliance of.

Groups such as Anon however though in my opinion go beyond civil disobedience and broach into criminal activity such as the DDNS attacks. They are nothing more than modern day weathermen, civil disobedience can be done without harming the property of others or injuring people. I have little sympathy and I do not support Anon.

Having said that GO Daddy has a poor redundancy model for its whole web hosting services to be taken down so easily and it speaks poorly of their disaster recovery plan.


One final thought on SOPA for those who may be on the fence...

It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?