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I think 'morality' is mostly defined by the lack of morality. Humans are the only 'animal' I know of that will do harm to another as an act of vengeance...
Is that really vengeance though? I mean, it sounds more like 'survival' to me - he's just trying to feed himself and/or pack/den/family, whatever they call it.I'm pretty sure a wolf will have a good bite at you if you try to steal his lunch from him
Animals are so smart they don't even think about asking this question on humans.
Is that really vengeance though? I mean, it sounds more like 'survival' to me - he's just trying to feed himself and/or pack/den/family, whatever they call it.I'm pretty sure a wolf will have a good bite at you if you try to steal his lunch from him
Morality is entirely human in definition. Personal or cultural values, code of conducts or social mores that distinguish between right and wrong. So no animals don't have morals. They have instincts. Do they have feelings and be considered sentient? Absolutely.
Is that really vengeance though? I mean, it sounds more like 'survival' to me - he's just trying to feed himself and/or pack/den/family, whatever they call it.I'm pretty sure a wolf will have a good bite at you if you try to steal his lunch from him
True, but then again attack one wolf in a pack and the rest will pile onto you as well - same for many herd animals. At what point it shifts from "instinctive survival" to a moral/emotional base is totally up for debate. How much human revenge is based on more instinctive reactions
Morality is entirely human in definition. Personal or cultural values, code of conducts or social mores that distinguish between right and wrong. So no animals don't have morals. They have instincts. Do they have feelings and be considered sentient? Absolutely.
Ahh so your argument is that an animal cannot have a moral viewpoint because it lacks both culture and personal values/input. However that viewpoint makes animals out to be totally instinctive creatures - a viewpoint put out a lot during the Victorian era when humans were gods own children to many a scientist.
The thing is animals do have social groups - even going so far as to show major differences between those social groupings as well as their own internal politics within those groups as well as differences as to how the group will reactive to a given stimulation/event.
A lot of the problem is that humans don't get a good education in the wilderness/wildlife/nature side of existence. School focuses on human and human environments and ignores the wilderness save for geological forms in geography Even common highstreet shelf books and documentaries on the TV rely upon an overly simplistic display of animal actions (heck watch most on lions and you see hunts every moment - when in reality its only a few a day and the rest is spent sleeping and being social
I never said that animals didn't live in social societies I said that morality is human in definition based on cultures and social mores which are dependent on that particular culture and norms are what PEOPLE believe to be the right and wrong.
I think we can both agree that most societies of certain mammal species have similar principles or norms but do not need the so called moral values because they have simple social structures and little to no need for revenge, ambition, greed, envy or what is right or wrong. In animals social groups things either are or are not. And what you have said I agree with about social groups but we aren't talking society or sociology we are talking morality. Animals generally don't go on rampant murder sprees, or prey on the innocent weak for pleasure or fun so they don't have a superego to balance out their base ego. KWIM?
To look at it from a purely spiritual perspective, animals are beyond morality. They kill what they need to kill for survival (food, self defence, etc.). Predators keep the animal population healthy and in check by weeding out the old, sick, and a number of young which ensures survival of the herd but at a level that's sustainable by the resources in their geographic area. Scavengers play their role in keeping the area clean, so to speak. In short, animals fulfill their place in the scheme of things perfectly and as they were intended to do. Morality is only applicable to humans as we kill, hurt, injure, etc., out of sport, emotion, mental defect, etc.