Are Our Ladies Treated Differently?

[Juga]

You have NO idea how much this disappoints me, Jaca, because that profile picture rocks, hard. It always somehow reminds me of a young Morgan Freeman, and so I kinda hear his incredible voice in my head when I read your posts. :lmao:
Or else, I don't.

That is because Morgan Freeman thinks he is God...according to him.

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[Stevepwns]

I actually just wrote a paper on this very subject.

I have only been here a short while, but I do see a difference in the way women are talked too here. Not in a bad way, IMO. I treat women differently on purpose, not because of some superiority thing, because women are different than men. I am not as crass or vulgar, the tendency seems to be you can be more upfront and brutally honest with a man than you can with a woman. I see those trends here. I don't think its a bad thing. Men and women are different, big deal. As long as we are all respectful.... I don't see where the problem is. Just for the record, I am voting bacon, I always vote bacon.... regardless of the question.

 

[The_Traveler]

On TPF if you aren't a girl, don't shoot with the newest toys or find yourself somewhere other than North America, it can be quite frustrating watching your work being ignored; and it takes a long, long time (if at all) to get anywhere near the kind of response the members in one or all of the aforementioned groups enjoy. Many very good photogs simply give up after a while and go away.

Not wanting to take the thread in a different direction, but

TPF tends to be:

Soft on girls

Keen on equipment

Deeply rooted in American culture and values

Point 1)
I don't exactly agree with the bolded statement.
I do think that what gets someone involved is being willing to put in some heavy lifting in terms of critique. If you care to measure responses, I think tht my pictures get the fewest responses of any long term poster here however I feel like I am somewhat part of 'the group.'

Point 2)
Photosig has a very interesting thread.
If anyone has an image that they feel has been under-critiqued ,they can put a comment at comment at the end of the thread saying something about the image, asking for critique with a link to it.
I think that would be an interesting Sticky.

Lew

 

[Juga]

it can be quite frustrating watching your work being ignored; and it takes a long, long time (if at all) to get anywhere near the kind of response the members in one or all of the aforementioned groups enjoy.

Point 1)
I don't exactly agree with the bolded statement.
I do think that what gets someone involved is being willing to put in some heavy lifting in terms of critique. If you care to measure responses, I think tht my pictures get the fewest responses of any long term poster here however I feel like I am somewhat part of 'the group.'

I tend to agree with Peter that there IS a clique on this forum who share inside jokes, comment frequently on each others' photos, etc. There are exceptions to this idea though and a couple of those members are tirediron and Derrel are the first two that come to mind as members that post frequently and spread the wealth of knowledge across the board. I have also looked at quite a few of your photos, Lew, and agree that as part of the clique you really don't get that many comments on your stuff. But having spent some time on this forum now it is very frustrating to see this clique chatting it up on one thread while many are trying to learn by posting their stuff on here, myself included. I know my photos aren't the greatest but I do appreciate feedback in all forms and I am sure others feel the same way as I do. No matter how frustrating it can be though the fact is that the clique is part of this online community and has been built by this forum which is the way it is suppose to work. So am I complaining, no, but it is hard to not notice that there is pretty tight group among this community.

 

[jwbryson1]

How do I really know anything about anyone on here without personally knowing them or doing some heavy duty snooping? My avatar/profile pic is fake. I am really fair skinned and weigh 70 lbs more or less than the picture shown.

You have NO idea how much this disappoints me, Jaca, because that profile picture rocks, hard. It always somehow reminds me of a young Morgan Freeman, and so I kinda hear his incredible voice in my head when I read your posts. :lmao:
Or else, I don't.

Me too! I'm feeling bummed out now that I know you are not who I thought you were....that kinda sucks.

 

[sm4him]

I actually just wrote a paper on this very subject.

I have only been here a short while, but I do see a difference in the way women are talked too here. Not in a bad way, IMO. I treat women differently on purpose, not because of some superiority thing, because women are different than men. I am not as crass or vulgar, the tendency seems to be you can be more upfront and brutally honest with a man than you can with a woman. I see those trends here. I don't think its a bad thing. Men and women are different, big deal. As long as we are all respectful.... I don't see where the problem is. Just for the record, I am voting bacon, I always vote bacon.... regardless of the question.

I have an editor friend who had two kids, one boy and one girl. This was back when it was first becoming popular to try to raise your children in gender-neutral ways. I've always remembered her remark on this trend:
"You can give a boy a doll--but you cannot keep him from bashing its head in against a rock or stabbing it with a stick sword." :lmao:

 

[sm4him]

it can be quite frustrating watching your work being ignored; and it takes a long, long time (if at all) to get anywhere near the kind of response the members in one or all of the aforementioned groups enjoy.

Point 1)
I don't exactly agree with the bolded statement.
I do think that what gets someone involved is being willing to put in some heavy lifting in terms of critique. If you care to measure responses, I think tht my pictures get the fewest responses of any long term poster here however I feel like I am somewhat part of 'the group.'

I tend to agree with Peter that there IS a clique on this forum who share inside jokes, comment frequently on each others' photos, etc. There are exceptions to this idea though and a couple of those members are tirediron and Derrel are the first two that come to mind as members that post frequently and spread the wealth of knowledge across the board. I have also looked at quite a few of your photos, Lew, and agree that as part of the clique you really don't get that many comments on your stuff. But having spent some time on this forum now it is very frustrating to see this clique chatting it up on one thread while many are trying to learn by posting their stuff on here, myself included. I know my photos aren't the greatest but I do appreciate feedback in all forms and I am sure others feel the same way as I do. No matter how frustrating it can be though the fact is that the clique is part of this online community and has been built by this forum which is the way it is suppose to work. So am I complaining, no, but it is hard to not notice that there is pretty tight group among this community.

Hmmm--this is an interesting point. I'll be the first to admit that I share inside jokes with some here, that I comment frequently on the photos of those whom I've come to "know" here (AND whose photos are the sort of thing I either enjoy and/or feel I can add anything to a discussion on). However, I *also* try to be welcoming to newcomers, and I make an effort to comment frequently on their photos or threads as well. To me, there is a fine line between a "clique" and a Community, and--at least for me--there is more of a "community" feel to TPF than a cliquish one.

I admit that there ARE some people whose photos I rarely comment on--Lew is one of those people. But it has absolutely nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the difference between what he shoots, and what I shoot. Lew rarely, if ever, comments on my photos either, because what I tend to shoot is nothing that interests him in the least...and that's OKAY. Now, if a newcomer posts the sorts of photos that Lew often posts, I might comment--but only to say I think it's under/over-exposed, or the horizon's off, something like that. With Lew's photos, I know that if the horizon is off, he durn well WANTED it to be off and my brilliant observation would hardly be of any use to him.
Not to pick on Lew, that was just an easy example since you'd already mentioned it.

So, yeah, I guess I *DO* think there are differences in the way certain people treat certain other people here, but I don't think it's really *predominantly* just a male/female thing, nor do I think it's a clique. I just think it's community. In my OWN community--there are members of my family, there are those who are my close friends, there are my co-workers, my acquaintances, and then there are those who are strangers to me. There are differences in the way I interact with each group--but isn't that just the WAY we are?

 

[Juga]

Point 1)
I don't exactly agree with the bolded statement.
I do think that what gets someone involved is being willing to put in some heavy lifting in terms of critique. If you care to measure responses, I think tht my pictures get the fewest responses of any long term poster here however I feel like I am somewhat part of 'the group.'

I tend to agree with Peter that there IS a clique on this forum who share inside jokes, comment frequently on each others' photos, etc. There are exceptions to this idea though and a couple of those members are tirediron and Derrel are the first two that come to mind as members that post frequently and spread the wealth of knowledge across the board. I have also looked at quite a few of your photos, Lew, and agree that as part of the clique you really don't get that many comments on your stuff. But having spent some time on this forum now it is very frustrating to see this clique chatting it up on one thread while many are trying to learn by posting their stuff on here, myself included. I know my photos aren't the greatest but I do appreciate feedback in all forms and I am sure others feel the same way as I do. No matter how frustrating it can be though the fact is that the clique is part of this online community and has been built by this forum which is the way it is suppose to work. So am I complaining, no, but it is hard to not notice that there is pretty tight group among this community.

Hmmm--this is an interesting point. I'll be the first to admit that I share inside jokes with some here, that I comment frequently on the photos of those whom I've come to "know" here (AND whose photos are the sort of thing I either enjoy and/or feel I can add anything to a discussion on). However, I *also* try to be welcoming to newcomers, and I make an effort to comment frequently on their photos or threads as well. To me, there is a fine line between a "clique" and a Community, and--at least for me--there is more of a "community" feel to TPF than a cliquish one.

I admit that there ARE some people whose photos I rarely comment on--Lew is one of those people. But it has absolutely nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the difference between what he shoots, and what I shoot. Lew rarely, if ever, comments on my photos either, because what I tend to shoot is nothing that interests him in the least...and that's OKAY. Now, if a newcomer posts the sorts of photos that Lew often posts, I might comment--but only to say I think it's under/over-exposed, or the horizon's off, something like that. With Lew's photos, I know that if the horizon is off, he durn well WANTED it to be off and my brilliant observation would hardly be of any use to him.
Not to pick on Lew, that was just an easy example since you'd already mentioned it.

So, yeah, I guess I *DO* think there are differences in the way certain people treat certain other people here, but I don't think it's really *predominantly* just a male/female thing, nor do I think it's a clique. I just think it's community. In my OWN community--there are members of my family, there are those who are my close friends, there are my co-workers, my acquaintances, and then there are those who are strangers to me. There are differences in the way I interact with each group--but isn't that just the WAY we are?

That is the way we are as humans. You are absolutely right and like I said it is part of the community to become familiar with each others' work and such. What I said was to bring out that 'point' not complain about. I really like to see people interacting as such but it is frustrating to NOT receive any feedback what so ever.

 

[amolitor]

I mostly see a community/friends biases in play, yes.

The point is that the community/friends biases are themselves skewed toward women, in some cases. There are regular members here who behave very much as if they want TPF to be them, two or three male friends at most, and all the women, especially the new ones. They behave as if all women are their friends, to the extent that I suspect strongly that we lose female members regularly who are not willing to put up with creeps "flirting" with them all the time. They also behave as if virtually no men are their friends. I like women too, but I'm not a jerk to men in hopes of persuading them to please leave so that I can mack on the women like a slobbering old fool all damn day long uninterrupted.

 

[runnah]

I suspect strongly that we lose female members regularly who are not willing to put up with creeps "flirting" with them all the time.

I suspect it's the opposite. You get these "hot" women who have never been told no in their lives. They come on here thinking they are the next big ticket and get all upset when they are not complimented and praised like they are accustomed to.

 

[kathyt]

I mostly see a community/friends biases in play, yes.

The point is that the community/friends biases are themselves skewed toward women, in some cases. There are regular members here who behave very much as if they want TPF to be them, two or three male friends at most, and all the women, especially the new ones. They behave as if all women are their friends, to the extent that I suspect strongly that we lose female members regularly who are not willing to put up with creeps "flirting" with them all the time. They also behave as if virtually no men are their friends. I like women too, but I'm not a jerk to men in hopes of persuading them to please leave so that I can mack on the women like a slobbering old fool all damn day long uninterrupted.

The creeps are my favorites!

 

[JacaRanda]

I love freedom. Freedom to ignore, freedom to comment, freedom to participate or not. Freedom to search for another forum or create my own. Freedom to privately message someone if I like or don't like something they have written.

 

[The_Traveler]

I have made this offer before.
If anyone feels they are unseen and wants another comment on on a specific picture just PM me and, if I can find something useful to say, I'll say it.

 

[rexbobcat]

I mostly see a community/friends biases in play, yes.

The point is that the community/friends biases are themselves skewed toward women, in some cases. There are regular members here who behave very much as if they want TPF to be them, two or three male friends at most, and all the women, especially the new ones. They behave as if all women are their friends, to the extent that I suspect strongly that we lose female members regularly who are not willing to put up with creeps "flirting" with them all the time. They also behave as if virtually no men are their friends. I like women too, but I'm not a jerk to men in hopes of persuading them to please leave so that I can mack on the women like a slobbering old fool all damn day long uninterrupted.

That's because you haven't reached the highest rank of Playaism known as the "Mack Daddy" where all the women be wanting yo affection.

 

[Tee]

As a non deluded MWAC, I get helpful advice mostly, but it's sugar coated. If I was a FWAC I'd be ripped apart on a daily basis. Seems silly to me that it has to be either extreme.

There was a time when gender played no part in destroying "I just bought a camera and am going pro" members. I kinda miss CGipson's rants, actually. I think what you're seeing is a change in moderation and members. Because TPF tends to attract more female members who just bought a Canon Rebel and want to pursue their "passion", you're going to statistically have more threads by females. The new membership and moderation aren't into the Thunderdome approach as it was 3 years ago.

To reply to another members comment about it being an American themed site: do we really need to cover why that is? Although, I'll add that we have a nice mix from our friends up north, too.

Lastly, if you're not getting replies it may be from the following reasons:
1. Your work sucks and its not worth mentioning
2. There's nothing good nor bad about it.
3. They are snap shots and previous posting history (or no history at all) indicates constructive critique is futile
4. There are many 1 post and run.
5. You are not participating and making an effort yourself
6. You're attempting to shoot a wedding with a D3200 and an 18-105 lens
7. See #1

P.S. in an effort to remain gender neutral, this snarky post is aimed equally at chicks and dudes.