Can we talk F stops

[GeorgieGirl]

OK all you geniuses with time on your hands (I don't) Here is an assignment for you.

Go outside and take one photo per f stop of the same exact scene.

Ok:

One taken at f5.6, one at f8 and one at f13 - now tell me aperture has no effect :greenpbl::greenpbl:
oh and you can see the rest here: MPE 65mm test shot series - a set on Flickr

done for myself mostly to see the diffraction effect in action as it softens my shots and helped me decide where the "safe" limits with aperture are if I want to preserve sharpness

Okay!!! I really like #1:lmao:

 

[Overread]

You points are so taken out of context as to remove their original meaning and impose your own upon them to further your own argument.

I get such a kick out of the people on forums. They suggest that every "noobs" buy fast glass

Because high quality fast glass affords them the option of using that fast max aperture when the creativity/scene/lighting require it. Furthermore it allows for improved lower light AF performance and for a brighter viewfinder image (to say nothing of the fact that many wider aperture lenses are of a better overall build quality)

and then in another post claim that the very same fast lens setting be ignored because everyone knows that the mid apertures are the best to use.

Of course is pure raw sharpness and image quality are demended then yes those middle apertures are the best - but as pointed out above raw image purity is not always the only intent of the photographer - the scene; the lighting and the composition might all require the option of the wider aperture.

 

[Derrel]

At this point in this discussion thread, I want to put in a good word for my very dear friend f/4.5, as well as a shout out to my old drinking buddy, f/4.8. Hey guys! We need to get together more often!

 

[Overread]

At this point in this discussion thread, I want to put in a good word for my very dear friend f/4.5, as well as a shout out to my old drinking buddy, f/4.8. Hey guys! We need to get together more often!

aww I've never met f4.8!

 

[ann]

Derrel,

i chuckled out loud with your drinking buddies

 

[GeorgieGirl]

You know what though, the whole subject of f/stops is daunting and the simplicity of it gets overlooked. If it were a rpm's and an engine it would be similar I think.

 

[Josh66]

SO WAIT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IM A NOOB?!?!?! HAHAHA

Not saying that you, specifically, are a noob ... but, there are a lot of people reading this (most of which aren't even members of the forum), and it is a pretty basic question in the beginner area of the forum...

I get such a kick out of the people on forums. They suggest that every "noobs" buy fast glass and then in another post claim that the very same fast lens setting be ignored because everyone knows that the mid apertures are the best to use. Then to top it off the they pretend to really be a great guru by saying " I'm just trying to stop you from filling the heads of noobs with nonsense"

A little less typing and a little more paying attention for many on the forum is good advie to follow.

:lmao:

First, when did I ever say that all 'noobs' need to buy fast glass, and then say to never use the wide end of it...?

YOU are the one saying to only use the extremes... I guess you think that since I (among many others) don't follow that, that we only use the middle apertures.

Reading some of your other posts, you seem to be more or less knowledgeable about this stuff - I can only assume that your comments in this thread were designed to start some sort of conflict...

(troll)

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Sobo is God.

 

[Boomn4x4]

I for one, find my biggest mistake I make is shooting wide open.... For some reason, I can't stop doing it. Then when I go into processing, I wonder why someones eyes are in focus but the ears and hair are not, and the picture in general is not very sharp.

I think you are right... most people won't notice the difference. Then again, most people won't notice their home was built without insulation either.

I guess there is a market for cheap photographers who's goal is only to give enough to the customer to make them happy. And aparently, there are photograpers who are more than happy to staisfy that market.

 

[william542]

Bottom line: to control DOF or stopping action. That's it.

 

[sobolik]

SO WAIT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IM A NOOB?!?!?! HAHAHA

Not saying that you, specifically, are a noob ... but, there are a lot of people reading this (most of which aren't even members of the forum), and it is a pretty basic question in the beginner area of the forum...

I get such a kick out of the people on forums. They suggest that every "noobs" buy fast glass and then in another post claim that the very same fast lens setting be ignored because everyone knows that the mid apertures are the best to use. Then to top it off the they pretend to really be a great guru by saying " I'm just trying to stop you from filling the heads of noobs with nonsense"

A little less typing and a little more paying attention for many on the forum is good advie to follow.

:lmao:

First, when did I ever say that all 'noobs' need to buy fast glass, and then say to never use the wide end of it...?

YOU are the one saying to only use the extremes... I guess you think that since I (among many others) don't follow that, that we only use the middle apertures.

Reading some of your other posts, you seem to be more or less knowledgeable about this stuff - I can only assume that your comments in this thread were designed to start some sort of conflict...

(troll)

Dude. Take a reading for understanding course. And pay attention to how people use all kinds of filters to distort what was said.

This thread is like the typical group in a circle exercise.

# 1 starts by wispering to #2: Most don't notice the subtle difference between middle aperture's so I just use extremes to ensure the effects impact.

#12 hears from #11, distorts and finishes by saying. #1 claimed no one knows how to use a camera and is just trying starting a conflict because he is jealous that others own fast glass. (YOU are the one saying to only use the extremes... I guess you think that since I (among many others) don't follow that, that we only use the middle apertures.)

Dude. Take a reading for understanding course. And pay attention to how people use all kinds of filters to distort what was said.

 

[white]

Dude.

 

[sobolik]

OK all you geniuses with time on your hands (I don't) Here is an assignment for you.

Go outside and take one photo per f stop of the same exact scene.

Ok:

One taken at f5.6, one at f8 and one at f13 - now tell me aperture has no effect :greenpbl::greenpbl:
oh and you can see the rest here: MPE 65mm test shot series - a set on Flickr

done for myself mostly to see the diffraction effect in action as it softens my shots and helped me decide where the "safe" limits with aperture are if I want to preserve sharpness

Nice but hardly a typical photo. Rather go out and take typical photos and see if any can put them in aperture order. Like for example the family outside with the park in the background. Or the kid riding a bike going down the side walk.

I looked at the site and really find it all confusing. I don't think the shots were taken for the assignment.Rather it looks like the shots were taken before and now attempted to be force fit into this assignment. "Once each series of shots was taken the magnification was adjusted to the next level (as written on the lens barrel) and the focusing rail repositioned to aquire the new focus. "

It don't work for me. Neat photos never the less.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Very simple you refer to a chart of facts: Online Depth of Field Calculator

OR

IF YOU ARE LIKE ME YOU STUDY THE CHART A GREAT DEAL AND THEN CHUCK IT. THEN YOU SIMPLY GO MAX OR MIN F STOP FOR MAX DEPTH OF FIELD OR MINIMUM DEPTH OF FIELD. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN IN MY WORLD. (all caps are a clue which way you should go) For normal shooting I do use the middle F stops. But not when my main concern is DOF.

I don't worry about the idiosyncrasies in the middle. No one will notice. But they do notice the max and min effect oftentimes.

Dude.
So what you are saying is you contradict yourself a lot.


Before you go off on someones reading comprehension skills, you should learn to write more effectively.

 

[white]

I think that's what he's saying, dude.