CC ethics

[waday]

As far as the OP

Speaking of the OP, where did he get to? I think we scared him off.

No doubt we did. Poor guy was probably hoping for a different response. LMAO

I'm sure he was! haha!

 

[table1349]

While I get the concept, remember the OP was INVITED to like the person with the facebook page. I was taught long ago by my mother...... If you don't want to hear the answer then don't ask the question. Samething could apply here. If you don't want responses from people don't go asking them to "Like" you or your facebook page.

In this particular case BOTH lacked a degree of tact.

Invites to like a page are not open invitations to critique photos. I'm not sure if you have a facebook page or not or if you are familiar with how facebook works, but there are many different types of pages, personal ones, business, artist, community entertainment etc., plus group pages. Most group pages are closed and you must join them. On group pages, critique is often asked for and given openly, but group pages and personal pages are much different than artist and business pages. I have invited people to like my artist page on facebook, but I would not tolerate anyone giving open critique of my photos, because that's not why I post them there. My page is a gallery of my work. As I said somewhere else in this thread, on facebook, if someone doesn't like a photo, then ignore it, or you send a PM to the artist or business owner. Its called good manners.

While that may be true, invites of this nature are to me the equivilent of the busniss robo calls at suppertime wanting to sell me something. As for a facebook page, I did, I don't now. I am very, very familiar with how facebook works, especially in my line of work. That is probably why I detest Facebook in the first place. When I am looking for a service places like Facebook are the last place I would go to.

Call me skeptical but I never used to call the number under the "For a good time call..." on the public restroom wall either.

 

[Vtec44]

A client found me on FB through a friend, followed my work, like my work, flew me to Scotland to shoot her wedding. So FB has been treating me very well. It's not the only platform I use to get my name out there though.

 

[Forkie]

A client found me on FB through a friend, followed my work, like my work, flew me to Scotland to shoot her wedding. So FB has been treating me very well. It's not the only platform I use to get my name out there though.

I get most of my clients through Facebook too. I get more views on my Facebook page than my website.

 

[Vtec44]

I get most of my clients through Facebook too. I get more views on my Facebook page than my website.

My website is where I have all my information, full portfolio, contact, pricing, etc. However, FB and other networking platforms are part of my on going social proof marketing. Having someone posting unwanted critique is counter-productive to what I'm trying to do. My page is where I showcase my work to potential clients and posting a disclaimer is tacky. Sure people have the rights to post. As the owner of the page, I'll be more than happy to remove all the unwanted comments on my page. It seems like business owners understand this professional courtesy and we avoid posting unwanted critiques on someone's business page, especially when it's another artist. It's nothing personal, strictly business.

 

[DanOstergren]

I see it as very rude and extremely self-serving to leave critique on someone's public facebook page, especially if they use the page as a way to bring clients to their business. I think it's always best to send a PM if I have critique for something on someone's page.

If it's posted in a photography group or forum though, then I think it's open game for critique unless the photographer specifically says "I'm not looking for critique".

 

[hamlet]

I once had the chance to critique a photo on G+ but my better nature said that i shouldn't. I'll probably only come here and do that for the benefit of myself and for the person i'm giving advice to, because when i look at other peoples pictures i can be more objective about the flaws and find correlations to the mistakes i'm making in the images i'm too invested in emotionally.

 

[vfotog]

While I get the concept, remember the OP was INVITED to like the person with the facebook page. I was taught long ago by my mother...... If you don't want to hear the answer then don't ask the question. Samething could apply here. If you don't want responses from people don't go asking them to "Like" you or your facebook page.

In this particular case BOTH lacked a degree of tact.

But inviting someone to like your page isn't an invitation to critique. It's not asking a question. Uninvited criticism on a non CC page is like accepting an invitation to a wedding and asking for all to hear why the groom married such an unattractive and stupid woman when he could have done so much better by getting someone younger and thinner and richer...

 

[vfotog]

Maybe a sticky on every FB page to let folks know they should not critique.
"DON'T CRITIQUE MY WORK UNLESS YOU PAY ME" or unless it's positive.

That's really not necessary. Most people aren't that stupid that they need to be told how to use Facebook. It's just that special few...

 

[FeatherMonkey]

You lot all seem to think there is a way to use Facebook. It's a way of networking like a room of strangers you get everyone else .

It's a room of strangers networking not a directory listing. It's not a directory listing or advert.

You can use it any way you like just like anyone else can.

It's absurd to think there's a right or wrong way of using. It's not the latest incarnation of the yellow pages.

It's nothing more than a place for strangers to communicate. What that is will be everything and anything goes.

It boils down to how you react not expecting strangers to follow imposed guidelines

 

[Forkie]

You lot all seem to think there is a way to use Facebook. It's a way of networking like a room of strangers you get everyone else .

It's a room of strangers networking not a directory listing. It's not a directory listing or advert.

You can use it any way you like just like anyone else can.

It's absurd to think there's a right or wrong way of using. It's not the latest incarnation of the yellow pages.

It's nothing more than a place for strangers to communicate. What that is will be everything and anything goes.

It boils down to how you react not expecting strangers to follow imposed guidelines

But the same networking rules still apply on Facebook as they do in the real world. You wouldn't go to a photography convention and point out the flaws in a photographer's photos on display at his stall.

 

[FeatherMonkey]

You lot all seem to think there is a way to use Facebook. It's a way of networking like a room of strangers you get everyone else .

It's a room of strangers networking not a directory listing. It's not a directory listing or advert.

You can use it any way you like just like anyone else can.

It's absurd to think there's a right or wrong way of using. It's not the latest incarnation of the yellow pages.

It's nothing more than a place for strangers to communicate. What that is will be everything and anything goes.

It boils down to how you react not expecting strangers to follow imposed guidelines

But the same networking rules still apply on Facebook as they do in the real world. You wouldn't go to a photography convention and point out the flaws in a photographer's photos on display at his stall.

It's not the same not close, even if it was whilst you'd not expect it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a numbers game I'm sure you know more than your fair share of people who you'd rather not talk to.

What some are saying in this thread and expecting I don't think any other industry would expect....

"I have a public facing Web page with the ability to leave comments I only expect positive comments."

I presume the above comment reads just as absurdly to others as it does to me.

 

[JacaRanda]

So the millions of people from all kinds of backgrounds, education levels, cultures, countries, ages etc. etc. SHOULD know FB protocol? Good luck.
Sorry OP, you are one of the special few.

 

[Forkie]

You lot all seem to think there is a way to use Facebook. It's a way of networking like a room of strangers you get everyone else .

It's a room of strangers networking not a directory listing. It's not a directory listing or advert.

You can use it any way you like just like anyone else can.

It's absurd to think there's a right or wrong way of using. It's not the latest incarnation of the yellow pages.

It's nothing more than a place for strangers to communicate. What that is will be everything and anything goes.

It boils down to how you react not expecting strangers to follow imposed guidelines

But the same networking rules still apply on Facebook as they do in the real world. You wouldn't go to a photography convention and point out the flaws in a photographer's photos on display at his stall.

It's not the same not close, even if it was whilst you'd not expect it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a numbers game I'm sure you know more than your fair share of people who you'd rather not talk to.

What some are saying in this thread and expecting I don't think any other industry would expect....

"I have a public facing Web page with the ability to leave comments I only expect positive comments."

I presume the above comment reads just as absurdly to others as it does to me.

A photographer's Facebook business page is a place for the photographer to sell his/her work or services. How can they do that if other photographers who have no place to do so, critique their work?

It has nothing to do with "If you put your work online, you should expect good and bad comments". No, that doesn't fly. Anyone with a modicum of respect for their fellow photographer would not post negative comments on another's work.

 

[FeatherMonkey]

You lot all seem to think there is a way to use Facebook. It's a way of networking like a room of strangers you get everyone else .

It's a room of strangers networking not a directory listing. It's not a directory listing or advert.

You can use it any way you like just like anyone else can.

It's absurd to think there's a right or wrong way of using. It's not the latest incarnation of the yellow pages.

It's nothing more than a place for strangers to communicate. What that is will be everything and anything goes.

It boils down to how you react not expecting strangers to follow imposed guidelines

But the same networking rules still apply on Facebook as they do in the real world. You wouldn't go to a photography convention and point out the flaws in a photographer's photos on display at his stall.

It's not the same not close, even if it was whilst you'd not expect it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a numbers game I'm sure you know more than your fair share of people who you'd rather not talk to.

What some are saying in this thread and expecting I don't think any other industry would expect....

"I have a public facing Web page with the ability to leave comments I only expect positive comments."

I presume the above comment reads just as absurdly to others as it does to me.

A photographer's Facebook business page is a place for the photographer to sell his/her work or services. How can they do that if other photographers who have no place to do so, critique their work?

It has nothing to do with "If you put your work online, you should expect good and bad comments". No, that doesn't fly. Anyone with a modicum of respect for their fellow photographer would not post negative comments on another's work.

It's not the same no where does it say that's how businesses should use fb that's how you choose to use it. Just like others choose to use it by leaving comments.

No business wants negative comments only a fool would expect none.