Finally got my hands on the MP-E!

Skaperen · May 31, 2012

jake337 said:
Buckster said:

Very nice! I'd love to play with one of those lenses.

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Agreed! Come on Nikon you need something to match this lens!

Back in the day (film) I had an FE-2, bellows, reversing ring, step down (effectively up because in reverse) ring, and 20mm f/2.8.

The bellows was since ruined and was discarded. The FE-2's mirror stop foam dried up and needs replacement. But I still have the rest somewhere. Maybe I should get the Nikon to Canon mount adapter and combine my Canon macro tubes with my Nikon macro tubes :sexywink:

Bios. · Jun 1, 2012

Thanks guys!

There are plenty of other ways to achieve this magnification but it's so much easier to have it all in one lens rather than needing to change tubes/converters etc and having full aperture control. I am definitely loving this lens at the moment!

jowensphoto · Jun 1, 2012

The last one in the first set is quite breathtaking.

Beautiful work!

unpopular · Jun 1, 2012

Skaperen said:
jake337 said:

Buckster said:

Very nice! I'd love to play with one of those lenses.

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Agreed! Come on Nikon you need something to match this lens!

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Back in the day (film) I had an FE-2, bellows, reversing ring, step down (effectively up because in reverse) ring, and 20mm f/2.8.

The bellows was since ruined and was discarded. The FE-2's mirror stop foam dried up and needs replacement. But I still have the rest somewhere. Maybe I should get the Nikon to Canon mount adapter and combine my Canon macro tubes with my Nikon macro tubes

Though not at all comparable to this magnificent lens, especially in the areas of CA and Coma, you can get very high magnification with this route. Using high end enlarging lenses, or APO Rodagon scientific lenses from EO, may be comparable:

Rodnstock Rodagon 50/4, Kosher Salt - uncropped

Still, if shooting insects is your thing, bellows can be somewhat difficult.

Robin Usagani · Jun 1, 2012

well.. you magnify it even more with crop sensor.

unpopular · Jun 1, 2012

Huh. I didn't think of that, though it makes sense.

Magnification confuses me a lot... If it were 3x on a FF would it be 3.6x on APSC, or would it be 4.8x (3*1.6)?

Josh66 · Jun 1, 2012

I'm not so sure about that. I think 1:1 would still be 1:1 - it would just be cropped. FF vs. Crop Sensor, printed at the same size, the crop sensor would appear larger, but it would be no different than cropping the FF photo.

unpopular · Jun 1, 2012

Well, sure. The projection within the image circle wouldn't change, but I still think effective magnification depends on the format - even if absolute magnification doesn't.

Certainly my grains of salt would be smaller relative to a larger format - even to the extent of being not macro if on 4x5. After all, 5:1 is referring to 5 units per 1 unit of filmplane - right?

Josh66 · Jun 1, 2012

unpopular said:
Well, sure. The projection within the image circle wouldn't change, but I still think effective magnification depends on the format - even if absolute magnification doesn't.

Crop Sensor - can never achieve that which cannot be done on FF (with cropping).
FF - same magnification, but more of it. (Wider)

If print/display size stays proportional to medium size, magnification levels will be the same.

What you're saying is true, but that exact same effective magnification could be achieved on FF just by cropping.

unpopular · Jun 1, 2012

Well, yeah, ofcourse! After all, that is all that a any sensor is doing - cropping the image circle.

Josh66 · Jun 1, 2012

unpopular said:
Well, yeah, of course!

Duh. LOL.

I think we're both saying the same thing.

It's like there's some unspoken rule that you can't crop FF photos...

What are we arguing about again? I forgot...lol.

unpopular · Jun 1, 2012

I think Schwetty's point is that while I can get up to about 5x (or more) with my Rodagon and bellows, you would not get that much if you used it on FF without cropping. So my comparison isn't 100% accurate.

Still if you used a 28mm APO Rodagon, you may still out perform it - but at about $1000, it's a kind of pricy option for a lens in barrel at f/4.

Robin Usagani · Jun 1, 2012

Sorry, I was just saying about someone mentioning Canon rebel.

1:1 just means you can fit an object that is about the size of your sensor and fill the whole sensor with it. Since a crop sensor is smaller, you can fit smaller object to fill your whole sensor.

so a 5:1 you can fill the whole sensor with an object about 1/5 the size of your sensor.