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I saw your forum and felt both sympathy and a little fear. While I understand other photographers' frustrations, it sounds like you are genuine in your attempts. You're admitting you're in over your head and are now trying your best to learn! That's a start.

First of all don't be shy about informing the couple again that you have no experience. If they really are okay with that and truly don't want to spend the money on an experienced pro, then that's there decision. But make sure it is crystal clear. I don't know how well you know this couple but a lot of people want something for nothing. They expect top notch quality but aren't willing to pay for it. If that's the case, run don't walk away from this as fast as you can. When I started out in weddings, I tended to under charge and that was a big mistake. The worst clients were the ones who wanted to pay the least. They expected the most.

Secondly lighting is only one issue. But yes to having an external flash like the SB 900 or the cheaper 600. In smaller areas with lower ceilings, tip the flash upward and let the light bounce. It creates a nice soft effect. However in large churches and big buildings, the darkness can be an issue. It sounds like you are able to practice ahead of time so buy that flash and practice with it. I am a big advocate of bouncing the flash as opposed to straight on. You will see the difference. Practice first on some friends.

Third...Weddings are a strange mix of hurrying and waiting. You will feel like you need to be in ten places all at once. Know really well the order in which everything is happening, how long the ceremony will be, any rules or restrictions on flash photography etc. Know when things are about to happen like the kiss...exchange of rings, etc. Those things only happen once and you really need to be read for them (hope your couple likes a long kiss). It's not the end of the world if you miss some little things...but you want to capture the important moments. This feeling of waiting for things to happen will continue throughout the event but during the reception make an effort to look for pictures. Look for that little girl twirling in her dress or some guest laughing or another guest looking at the bride's rings. Take detail pictures of flowers, dresses, shoes, table settings! Take a zillion pictures! You can always delete later.

Understand depth of field and wide vs narrow depth of field. For portrait shots of just the bride for example or maybe just her flowers you want less in focus (wider aperture)...I can explain this if you want...in a different place than this forum. Make sure when you take posed pictures that you take many (people blink). Make sure everyone is standing close together...space in between people looks weird. Make sure everyone is looking at you (eyes always wander to other cameras or background distractions). Watch little details like if one guy has his jacket open or another guy has it closed (think uniformity).

Do you know how to use photoshop? I know that things like white balance and the technical sides seem important. Believe me they are...and if you were a pro charging $3000 you better know that stuff inside and out. But if these people are willing to hire someone inexperienced with amateur equipment then focus more on getting the moments with nice clear, focused images. White balance can be fixed in photoshop to an extent. The D3000 is not great in low light and has a lot of noise at anything over 400 ISO so I'd be careful of taking shots without flash or in low light. Like I said, try your best to practice technique and learn more...but in the moment when that bride walks down the aisle and your hands are shaking and palms are sweaty, all that knowledge might go right out the window.

Feel free to send me more questions...happy to help.
 
Ooopss.. I thought it was MJ
 
Um... the largest aperture on that 55-200 is f/4, you dont have a flash and even if you did you might not be allowed to use it, you dont even know what RAW is, you have 1 battery, and dont even know the relationship between aperture, ISO, and shutter speed... You are planning to take money from a couple that is probably expecting a professional photographer to capture the biggest and only day like this in their life, and I'm the ass? 9 Months wouldn't be long enough for a complete beginner with all the right tools to prepare for something like this, let alone a beginner with none of the right tools.

You cant just assume he is taking money. 9 months is plenty of time to prepare if he is commited and willing to upgrade some of his equipment.

Schwitty... "his" name is Whitney :biglaugh: :greenpbl: :sexywink:
In this day and age I personally make no assumptions. :mrgreen:
 
Good for you CatHub... I'm glad someone with wedding experience stepped in to help out.
 
I saw your forum and felt both sympathy and a little fear. While I understand other photographers' frustrations, it sounds like you are genuine in your attempts. You're admitting you're in over your head and are now trying your best to learn! That's a start.

First of all don't be shy about informing the couple again that you have no experience. If they really are okay with that and truly don't want to spend the money on an experienced pro, then that's there decision. But make sure it is crystal clear. I don't know how well you know this couple but a lot of people want something for nothing. They expect top notch quality but aren't willing to pay for it. If that's the case, run don't walk away from this as fast as you can. When I started out in weddings, I tended to under charge and that was a big mistake. The worst clients were the ones who wanted to pay the least. They expected the most.

Secondly lighting is only one issue. But yes to having an external flash like the SB 900 or the cheaper 600. In smaller areas with lower ceilings, tip the flash upward and let the light bounce. It creates a nice soft effect. However in large churches and big buildings, the darkness can be an issue. It sounds like you are able to practice ahead of time so buy that flash and practice with it. I am a big advocate of bouncing the flash as opposed to straight on. You will see the difference. Practice first on some friends.

Third...Weddings are a strange mix of hurrying and waiting. You will feel like you need to be in ten places all at once. Know really well the order in which everything is happening, how long the ceremony will be, any rules or restrictions on flash photography etc. Know when things are about to happen like the kiss...exchange of rings, etc. Those things only happen once and you really need to be read for them (hope your couple likes a long kiss). It's not the end of the world if you miss some little things...but you want to capture the important moments. This feeling of waiting for things to happen will continue throughout the event but during the reception make an effort to look for pictures. Look for that little girl twirling in her dress or some guest laughing or another guest looking at the bride's rings. Take detail pictures of flowers, dresses, shoes, table settings! Take a zillion pictures! You can always delete later.

Understand depth of field and wide vs narrow depth of field. For portrait shots of just the bride for example or maybe just her flowers you want less in focus (wider aperture)...I can explain this if you want...in a different place than this forum. Make sure when you take posed pictures that you take many (people blink). Make sure everyone is standing close together...space in between people looks weird. Make sure everyone is looking at you (eyes always wander to other cameras or background distractions). Watch little details like if one guy has his jacket open or another guy has it closed (think uniformity).

Do you know how to use photoshop? I know that things like white balance and the technical sides seem important. Believe me they are...and if you were a pro charging $3000 you better know that stuff inside and out. But if these people are willing to hire someone inexperienced with amateur equipment then focus more on getting the moments with nice clear, focused images. White balance can be fixed in photoshop to an extent. The D3000 is not great in low light and has a lot of noise at anything over 400 ISO so I'd be careful of taking shots without flash or in low light. Like I said, try your best to practice technique and learn more...but in the moment when that bride walks down the aisle and your hands are shaking and palms are sweaty, all that knowledge might go right out the window.

Feel free to send me more questions...happy to help.

Thanks so much for you help and ecouragment. I have and am still working on them getting a professional or someone with a little more experience in this area of photography. I will definetly look into getting one of those flashes and am planning on doing lots of practice runs before the big day. I would appreciate if you would check out some of my previous work and so you know a little of what I'm capable of. I have done bridals and engagments so I understand a little bit about depth of field and such.
Thanks again :)

fotosbywhitney.shutterfly.com
 
It is a small cermony and they don't have the money to hire a professional.

If this is really the case, then perhaps one of the best gifts the families could give the bride and groom would be to pay for a professional photographer. There will be plenty of time for them to get things like silverware, dining sets, and all that other stuff the newlyweds typically get... but they'll never have the opportunity to go back and re-shoot their big day.

BTW, letting everyone know that you are not getting paid and that they are relatives probably would have saved you from a lot of flaming.

I don't think these people care lol
We all would love to give that to them as a wedding present but that's not what they want. Believe me the family as all talked about it
 
Um... the largest aperture on that 55-200 is f/4, you dont have a flash and even if you did you might not be allowed to use it, you dont even know what RAW is, you have 1 battery, and dont even know the relationship between aperture, ISO, and shutter speed... You are planning to take money from a couple that is probably expecting a professional photographer to capture the biggest and only day like this in their life, and I'm the ass? 9 Months wouldn't be long enough for a complete beginner with all the right tools to prepare for something like this, let alone a beginner with none of the right tools.

You cant just assume he is taking money. 9 months is plenty of time to prepare if he is commited and willing to upgrade some of his equipment.

Thanks for tryna help me out here :)
but it's She not He lol :lmao:
 
Well Ive never shot a wedding. I have however done a lot of reading about photography in general. That means understanding why my shots would have a yellow tint. I found a pro that has been doing it for a while who is willing to let me work with them. Ive saved and bought fast glass so I'm not trying to shoot in a dim light church that doesn't allow flash at F/5.6. If you plan on being a photographer get some thicker skin. Not everyone is going to like what you shoot and some will you tell you about it. You cant get bent of shape about it.

Well if I hang out in the forum I'm gonna have to get some thicker skin ya'll people are straight up honest in the most honest way possible. I can take it just give me time to adjust :)

:thumbup: Haha, you have a *much* better attitude than some of the more recent... controversial... posters lately. :lmao:

I think you'll do just fine here :sexywink: :hug::
Hope that's a good thing in the long run lol :)
Hey I can try and get right back but I really don't get that upset I have just never had people tell me I suck before lol
 
Good for you CatHub... I'm glad someone with wedding experience stepped in to help out.

Well trying anyway...besides I think it's more the fault of the couple for asking and putting that kind of pressure on. From my experience though, you can learn the basics inside and out but nothing compares to experience. It's scary the first time you have to shoot a wedding...(no matter how much camera or photography knowledge you or may not have).
 
:thumbup: Haha, you have a *much* better attitude than some of the more recent... controversial... posters lately. :lmao:

I think you'll do just fine here :sexywink: :hug::
Hope that's a good thing in the long run lol :)
Hey I can try and get right back but I really don't get that upset I have just never had people tell me I suck before lol

:lol: Start welcoming it. I get told I suck all the time, but that's what helps us to improve :sexywink: (Well... the "you suck, but here's what you should do next time..." type comments anyway. :lmao: )

:lol: Touche! :lmao:


Haha thanks for catching that I was wondering if ya'll all thought I was a HE lol

It's okay. I'm a He-she according to some members of this forum. :biglaugh: :sexywink:

To some of us you are just another PR.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
Thanks so much for you help and ecouragment. I have and am still working on them getting a professional or someone with a little more experience in this area of photography. I will definetly look into getting one of those flashes and am planning on doing lots of practice runs before the big day. I would appreciate if you would check out some of my previous work and so you know a little of what I'm capable of. I have done bridals and engagments so I understand a little bit about depth of field and such.
Thanks again :)

fotosbywhitney.shutterfly.com


Okay I perused your pictures...Do you prefer me making comments here or elsewhere?
 
Thanks so much for you help and ecouragment. I have and am still working on them getting a professional or someone with a little more experience in this area of photography. I will definetly look into getting one of those flashes and am planning on doing lots of practice runs before the big day. I would appreciate if you would check out some of my previous work and so you know a little of what I'm capable of. I have done bridals and engagments so I understand a little bit about depth of field and such.
Thanks again :)

fotosbywhitney.shutterfly.com


Okay I perused your pictures...Do you prefer me making comments here or elsewhere?

does not matte at all to me I've been working on developing that tough skin so shoot I can take it
 
Okay I perused your pictures...Do you prefer me making comments here or elsewhere?

does not matte at all to me I've been working on developing that tough skin so shoot I can take it

I also took a look at your site. I will not comment on the photos because I think it's pretty obviously what I'll say. Honestly I think you need to drop everything you think you know about photography and start over from scratch. Watch videos on youtube about even lighting, composition and exposure. When I first started getting into professional photography that's what I did and it helped enormously. After you watch these videos try these techniques for yourself and mimic them and ask for feedback on the forums. After you have practiced you can then start to develop your own style. Feel free to also check out my blog on my website to give you some examples of even lighting and those elements I talked about.
 
what restomage said + your compositions are little tight on the engagement photos.
 

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