Fuji RAWs are rubbing me raw

Discussion in 'Fujifilm Cameras' started by IronMaskDuval, Mar 8, 2016.

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  1. Mar 8, 2016 #25
    Ysarex

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    Here's RT's processing of the same file with the detail cranked up. Arguably this is overdone and the 2nd version is showing noise and artifacts that I'm not trying to remove -- point is you want max detail you get some noise with it. But the detail amount you see below isn't coming from Adobe no matter what you do.

    Now put that in perspective: we're pixel peeping here and do we really need theses at 100% and this sharpened? What's your output requirement?

    Joe

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    pixmedic

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    the LR file using the adjusted detail numbers looks better compared to LR default.
    now i have to compare it to a file processed in RT.
     
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    pixmedic

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    RT edit, all auto adjustments.
    [​IMG]RTtest by pixmedic, on Flickr

    LR edit with sharpening 40, radius 1.4, detail 90 (instead of default) all else is auto.
    [​IMG]LRtest by pixmedic, on Flickr
     
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    Ysarex

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    Here's a side by side of your LR version and my RT version. Notice the lettering and how Adobe is beginning to halo the edges.

    Joe

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    pixmedic

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    that was my first edit with RT. definitely NOT proficient with it yet.
    I dunno though...you really have to do some serious pixel peeping to see any significant difference.
    to me, at normal viewing anyway, the differences are negligible. even at 100%, the difference is noticeable, yes, but im not sure that its such a difference that most people would even notice it.
    I may have to just keep messing with RT and see what happens, but im really not seeing why people are having major coronaries
    over how LR deals with the fuji files...i think they come out fine for most applications.
     
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    Ysarex

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    There you go. Pixel peeping can be an addiction disease just like crack. This Adobe/Fuji X-trans issue is real but it gets blown way out of proportion by people afflicted with the pixel peeping addiction. It's unfortunate that Adobe's default processing for X-Trans is so poor. IM_Duval here may have been reacting to Adobe's default settings which really do render an RAF soft, but a little time spent working with Adobe may be the best solution. In addition to what you can get working with the detail panel in LR you also want to pay attention to output sharpening. An LR processed RAF sized to output and then appropriately output sharpened may be more than adequate.

    I'm a printer and I make some big prints so that last bit of detail matters to me. I tend to default to C1 or PhotoNinja for my RAF files for that reason, but if I had to stick with LR I'd be reasonably happy with what I could get.

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    pixmedic

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    Hopefully Adobe updates CC soon with more fuji related fixes.
    Just changing the sharpening/detail as you suggested made a pretty noticeable difference.
    Raw Therapee is free so it doesn't cost me anything to play around with it. I do NOT like the cropping tool in RT.

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    IronMaskDuval

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    So which is it? Is lightening just loading xtrans raw without sharpening?
     
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    No idea. Default sharpening in LR is 25 on mine. Can't find a way to change that.
    I don't know if there's other issues people are having or if they are just being pixel peeping picky.
    The raf file I posted done in LR with the recommended change in sharpening looks good enough to me.
    COULD it be done better in RT or capture one, or some other raw editor? Maybe. Probably to some degree. I guess if you want the absolute "best" at the pixel level maybe you wouldn't be happy with LR for raf files, but I think I'm pleased enough with it to just keep using LR. I'm sure adobe will fix the rest of the x-trans issues eventually.

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    IronMaskDuval

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    pixel peeing isn't something that concerns me. i prefer portraits to not be ultra sharp these days. the problem is that i can notice the softness before zooming in. is it terrible? no. are the raws from the a7 leagues away? yes. i'm not sure that completely a function of ff vs apsc
     
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    pixmedic

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    I dunno then. I'll have to take some test shots and experiment more.
    All I know is that thus far I've been pretty happy with how LR handles my fuji raf files. More so now that I know about the sharpening changes. Have you tried those adjustments yet to see if it helps?

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    IronMaskDuval

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    To be honest, I was perfectly happy with my XE1. I think I was the one that recommended the XE line to you. I wonder if this is just psychology, knowing that the cameras use the same sensor, but I am expecting more from the XT1 because of its equal cost to the a7.
     
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