Full frame camera with ISO and SS dials?

[Derrel]

The professional Nikon bodies have a dedicated rear-mounted ISO button on the bottom control panel,the one located immediately below the rear LCD screen, along with a dedicated file quality button, and a dedicated white balance button. If you want to set f/stops ON THE LENS, the pro Nikons allow that, but of course, the newer G-series lenses have been gelded, and had their aperture rings removed, but if you use older manual focus or AF or AF-D lenses, those of course have aperture rings. Press any of the three buttons, hold it, then spin one of the command dials to adjust two of the MOST-critical controls: ISO rating, and White Balance. No need to menu-dive.

I am speaking of pro Nikons like the D3 and D3x and D4.

 

[astroNikon]

... the newer G-series lenses have been gelded, and had their aperture rings removed....

You make it sound like castration ..

 

[astroNikon]

The professional Nikon bodies have a dedicated rear-mounted ISO button on the bottom control panel,the one located immediately below the rear LCD screen, along with a dedicated file quality button, and a dedicated white balance button. If you want to set f/stops ON THE LENS, the pro Nikons allow that, but of course, the newer G-series lenses have been gelded, and had their aperture rings removed, but if you use older manual focus or AF or AF-D lenses, those of course have aperture rings. Press any of the three buttons, hold it, then spin one of the command dials to adjust two of the MOST-critical controls: ISO rating, and White Balance. No need to menu-dive.

I am speaking of pro Nikons like the D3 and D3x and D4.

and the D800 / D700 / D300 models have WB / ISO / QUAL buttons on the top left on top of the dial
The D600 / D7100/7000 have WB / ISO/ QUAL buttons to the left of the LCD screen.

 

[agp]

I'm used to the Fuji X-T1 which has no mode dial. Each dial/ring has an "auto" setting. If I shoot with a defined aperture and SS on auto, it shoots in AP; if I shoot with a defined SS and aperture on auto, it shoots in SP; if I shoot with a defined SS and aperture, then it shoots in M. I think this is intuitive and easy to use, saves the hassle of having to adjust the mode dial when you adjust aperture/SS.

I guess what I'm looking for is not only separate dials for ISO and SS, but also a camera where you don't have a mode dial. Instead the mode is dictated by if you set your aperture/SS on auto or not (using their respective dials/rings).

 

[480sparky42 41]

I'm used to the Fuji X-T1 which has no mode dial. Each dial/ring has an "auto" setting. If I shoot with a defined aperture and SS on auto, it shoots in AP; if I shoot with a defined SS and aperture on auto, it shoots in SP; if I shoot with a defined SS and aperture, then it shoots in M. I think this is intuitive and easy to use, saves the hassle of having to adjust the mode dial when you adjust aperture/SS.

I guess what I'm looking for is not only separate dials for ISO and SS, but also a camera where you don't have a mode dial. Instead the mode is dictated by if you set your aperture/SS on auto or not (using their respective dials/rings).

So you want the following:

Set camera to ISO 100, 1/100, f/11. As soon as you change your aperture, it then goes into Aperture Priority mode? Then as soon as you change the SS, it changes to Shutter Priority mode?

 

[Braineack]

Set camera to ISO 100, 1/100, f/11. As soon as you change your aperture, it then goes into Aperture Priority mode? Then as soon as you change the SS, it changes to Shutter Priority mode?

only if the other two dials were set to auto.

 

[agp]

I'm used to the Fuji X-T1 which has no mode dial. Each dial/ring has an "auto" setting. If I shoot with a defined aperture and SS on auto, it shoots in AP; if I shoot with a defined SS and aperture on auto, it shoots in SP; if I shoot with a defined SS and aperture, then it shoots in M. I think this is intuitive and easy to use, saves the hassle of having to adjust the mode dial when you adjust aperture/SS.

I guess what I'm looking for is not only separate dials for ISO and SS, but also a camera where you don't have a mode dial. Instead the mode is dictated by if you set your aperture/SS on auto or not (using their respective dials/rings).

So you want the following:

Set camera to ISO 100, 1/100, f/11. As soon as you change your aperture, it then goes into Aperture Priority mode? Then as soon as you change the SS, it changes to Shutter Priority mode?

No. These are the dials on top of the X-T1... Whatever dial is set to "auto", it's not in that mode. The aperture ring also has an "auto" located left of f16. If every dial is set to auto, it shoots in auto. If every dial is set to something other than auto, it shoots in manual. There's no mode dial.

Aperture ring on lens
ISO dial, viewfinder, SS dial, exposure dial

 

[480sparky42 41]

No. These are the dials on top of the X-T1... Whatever dial is set to "auto", it's not in that mode. The aperture ring also has an "auto" located left of f16. If every dial is set to auto, it shoots in auto. If every dial is set to something other than auto, it shoots in manual. There's no mode dial.

Aperture ring on lens
ISO dial, viewfinder, SS dial, exposure dial

Forget the dials and buttons and settings.

How, exactly, do you want the camera to react to your input?


If you want a certain ISO, you can change it, and the SS and aperture are changed for you. Right?

If you change the aperture, the shutter speed will be changed for you. Right?

If you change the shutter speed, the aperture will be changed for you.

Do I understand it correctly?

 

[astroNikon]

No. These are the dials on top of the X-T1... Whatever dial is set to "auto", it's not in that mode. The aperture ring also has an "auto" located left of f16. If every dial is set to auto, it shoots in auto. If every dial is set to something other than auto, it shoots in manual. There's no mode dial.

Aperture ring on lens
ISO dial, viewfinder, SS dial, exposure dial

Forget the dials and buttons and settings.

How, exactly, do you want the camera to react to your input?


If you want a certain ISO, you can change it, and the SS and aperture are changed for you. Right?

If you change the aperture, the shutter speed will be changed for you. Right?

If you change the shutter speed, the aperture will be changed for you.

Do I understand it correctly?

Yeah, except he likes the "dials" (which have the AUTO option on the dial) of the X-T1 versus "mode buttons" of everything else including Fuji's dSLRs

 

[Scatterbrained]

Personally I'm quite happy with the interface on my 5DII. The main dial (the one right above the shutter button) works the shutter speed (in manual mode). Right above it is the iso button. Lift your index finger a little bit and press the button, now you have control of the iso through the same main dial. The thumb wheel on the back controls aperture. The joystick above your thumbwheel controls focus points, and the button above your thumb controls focus (back button focus). Simple, and very fast/easy to use.

 

[480sparky42 41]

Yeah, except he likes the "dials" (which have the AUTO option on the dial) of the X-T1 versus "mode buttons" of everything else including Fuji's dSLRs

If so, Nikon calls that Program Mode.

Turn the Mode dial to P.

Use the rear command wheel to change aperture AND shutter speed............ at the same time. Isn't technology amazing? Camera chooses 1/50 sec, but you want 1/200. Just turn the rear dial until you get to 1/200, and the aperture changes as well. Looking at f/8 but you want f/8? No biggy. Turn the command dial until you get to f/4, and the shutter speed changes as well. Want a different ISO? Press the ISO button, turn the same command dial, and the ISO will magically change, taking the shutter speed and aperture along for the ride. Amazing!

And as an added bonus....... you can dial in any combination of + or - EVs you want. Just turn the front command dial.

Plus, you can swap the front and rear command dials if you want.

 

[Derrel]

So...what exactly is wrong with the Fuji XT-1? Is it the smaller-than-24x36mm image sensor? Or the now-low 16 MP pixel count? Or the lack of d-slr class focusing speed on tricky subjects? Or is it the lack of long telephoto lens options?

I'm not quite sure why the dials are so critical, because when one moves to a full-frame d-slr system camera from either Canon, or Nikon, instead of a BRAND-NEW lens mount with a small selection of lenses and accessories, one instead gets to choose from two of the widest, deepest, and most total and complete camera and lens systems ever developed....with the MOST lenses, the most-capable specialty lenses, the best macro lenses, the most-amazing flash units (multiple models), macro flash units, and an incredible array of accessories for almost any photographic specialty areas.

Yeah, dials are neat. I grew up with dials. I grew up with lens apertures being set on a ring around the lens. To me, the 1-digit Nikon bodies, and the three-digit Nikon bodies are pretty awesome machines. Since Nikon still can utilize a lens-mounted aperture control system, I **can** set my f/stops on the lens, if I choose to, if my lens has that. One of the nicest things about moving to the f/stop being set on the body is the ability to switch lenses and NEVER accidentally set the wrong f/stop, which makes using prime lenses with studio flash much easier when you want to go back and forth with different lenses, or when working really fast and changing lenses, the lenses are basically locked down to minimum f/stop, so there's no need to constantly monitor that the f/stops are set "differently" between the older lens and the one that's just been bayonetted on. This saves errors, especially when shooting in MANUAL exposure mode, OR when using manual-power regulated flash or AUTO-F-stop flash control.

 

[agp]

There's nothing wrong with the X-T1, but I would like something full frame. Higher MP is always better. I do not have anything against the X-T1's focusing speed or any other feature/specs. I do not care for tele lenses.

I absolutely love X-T1's button and dial functions more than the DSLR I've tried.

No. These are the dials on top of the X-T1... Whatever dial is set to "auto", it's not in that mode. The aperture ring also has an "auto" located left of f16. If every dial is set to auto, it shoots in auto. If every dial is set to something other than auto, it shoots in manual. There's no mode dial.

Aperture ring on lens
ISO dial, viewfinder, SS dial, exposure dial

Forget the dials and buttons and settings.

How, exactly, do you want the camera to react to your input?


If you want a certain ISO, you can change it, and the SS and aperture are changed for you. Right?

If you change the aperture, the shutter speed will be changed for you. Right?

If you change the shutter speed, the aperture will be changed for you.

Do I understand it correctly?

Yes. I have forgotten the dials. I want those functions above, which is what the X-T1 does, but I want to be able to change the ISO/SS/aperture without having to take the camera away from my eyes and press a bunch of buttons on a small LED screen.

We have ISO, SS, and aperture. I want to be able to define any one, or two, or all three of those settings, and I want the camera to choose the "appropriate" mode. If I have ISO set to 100, aperture to f2, and SS to auto, I want the camera to decide the SS for me. If I have the ISO set to 100, aperture to f2, and SS to 1/50 of a second, I want the camera to not change any of those settings. If I have the aperture to f2, SS to 1/50, and ISO on auto, I want the camera to pick an ISO for me.

 

[Derrel]

I have heard more than one rumor that Fuji, and Ricoh/Pentax will announce FF cameras sometime this year; I have also read on Thom Hogan's site that the Nikon-exclusive use agreement to the Sony-made 36-MP FF sensor used in the D800 and D800e and the Sony a7R will expire this year; perhaps there will be a FF Fuji before Christmas??? A guy can hope!

 

[Scatterbrained]

There's nothing wrong with the X-T1, but I would like something full frame. Higher MP is always better. I do not have anything against the X-T1's focusing speed or any other feature/specs. I do not care for tele lenses.

I absolutely love X-T1's button and dial functions more than the DSLR I've tried.

No. These are the dials on top of the X-T1... Whatever dial is set to "auto", it's not in that mode. The aperture ring also has an "auto" located left of f16. If every dial is set to auto, it shoots in auto. If every dial is set to something other than auto, it shoots in manual. There's no mode dial.

Aperture ring on lens
ISO dial, viewfinder, SS dial, exposure dial

Forget the dials and buttons and settings.

How, exactly, do you want the camera to react to your input?


If you want a certain ISO, you can change it, and the SS and aperture are changed for you. Right?

If you change the aperture, the shutter speed will be changed for you. Right?

If you change the shutter speed, the aperture will be changed for you.

Do I understand it correctly?

Yes. I have forgotten the dials. I want those functions above, which is what the X-T1 does, but I want to be able to change the ISO/SS/aperture without having to take the camera away from my eyes and press a bunch of buttons on a small LED screen.

Just because the control may require the push of a button, doesn't mean you have to take your eye away from the viewfinder. With Canon 5/1 series bodies, everything is "right to hand" so to speak, as in, right by either your right index finger or your thumb. No need to pull the camera down and look at the screen. Everything comes up in the viewfinder. ISO, aperture, shutterspeed, AF points, AF mode, WB, shutter mode (1 shot/continuous/delay), and focus; all can be controlled from the thumb and index finger while looking through the viewfinder. It might take you a little while of shooting with the camera to get the hang of it, but once you do it becomes intuitive. Having separate dials spread across the top of the camera means you have to move your entire hand to make an adjustment. To me that's an inferior ergonomic design, and is why it was abandoned in favor of the current set ups. The only reason the Fuji and others are set up the way they are is an homage to vintage style, because they know their market, and they know there are people who will place a higher premium on aesthetics than ergonomics.