Get Real!

[rexbobcat]

I grew up in what was basically a food desert. Both my parents worked. The local grocery store was inadequate because they would get left over stock from larger subsidiaries. Their vegetable aisle - both fresh and frozen - consisted of wilted lettuce, tomato, like 3000 potatoes, and occasionally broccoli. To go to a real grocery store we had to drive 1.5 hours both ways just to buy meat that wasn't brown. We weren't poor, but we sure as hell didn't have the time to make frequent afternoon trips (my parents were constantly on call for work) and we didn't have the cash to drop on a month and a half worth of vegetables, fruits, and meats.

What we did have was a hunting rifle and a grandma who had a massive 2000 square foot garden. So we tried to eat as healthily as we could. But not everyone is as fortunate.

I can't in good conscience tell people, "It's so simple. Just go hunting and grow a garden," because that disregards so much about the different life experiences of others.

God, why are people so patronizing when it comes to food? Someone will say "I try to eat healthy but it's difficult," and then there's some primal urge to tell them, "You must not be trying hard enough. Quit making excuses." (Not referring to you Leonore...)

 

[limr30 3]

I grew up in what was basically a food desert. Both my parents worked. The local grocery store was inadequate because they would get left over stock from larger subsidiaries. Their vegetable aisle - both fresh and frozen - consisted of wilted lettuce, tomato, like 3000 potatoes, and occasionally broccoli. To go to a real grocery store we had to drive 1.5 hours both ways just to buy meat that wasn't brown. We weren't poor, but we sure as hell didn't have the time to make frequent afternoon trips (my parents were constantly on call for work) and we didn't have the cash to drop on a month and a half worth of vegetables, fruits, and meats.

What we did have was a hunting rifle and a grandma who had a massive 2000 square foot garden. So we tried to eat as healthily as we could. But not everyone is as fortunate.

I can't in good conscience tell people, "It's so simple. Just go hunting and grow a garden," because that disregards so much about the different life experiences of others.

God, why are people so patronizing when it comes to food? Someone will say "I try to eat healthy but it's difficult," and then there's some primal urge to tell them, "You must not be trying hard enough. Quit making excuses." (Not referring to you Leonore...)

I appreciate you saying you weren't referring to me, but I still want to be clear that I wasn't trying to be judgmental and I certainly wasn't trying to tell anyone here how to eat. I just was suggesting a middle ground that might be feasible for those who do have some options and would like to have fewer processed foods in their diet.

I absolutely understand that it's difficult, even for people who don't live in a food desert, and there's no simple solution. People do what they need to do, and they are the only ones who know what's possible or not.

But it's also true that many people who complain about no choices or no time really do have ways to manage more whole foods and fewer processed foods into their diet without paying more money or spending hours cooking dinner every night. (Again, I'm not talking about anyone here! I've seen it plenty, though.)

Ultimately, I've never really cared how other people eat. I've seen people become defensive around me about their food choices when they hear I'm a vegetarian (or they make a joke about PETA meaning People Eating Tasty Animals and really folks? It's tired and old, and your bacon jokes aren't funny the 1st time, much less the 1,537th time I hear them), because they think I'm going to get all preachy, but I really don't give four flying frogs about what they want to eat. If you want to eat Cheez Whiz, Ritz crackers, and guzzle Mountain Dew, knock yourselves out. If that's really NOT what you want to eat, then take a hard look at what your real choices are and figure out if there is a way to eat better. Not everyone will have a lot of choices, but a lot of people will find there are more options for healthier eating than they think there are.

 

[robbins.photo]

Yep, it's not only expensive it's also time consuming to feed people healthy meals. Both parents working 9+ hrs a day leaves little time for a home cooked meal.

Then you get all those people who say "Just go to a farmer's market for fresh, cheap produce."

Where exactly do you live? In my area farmer's markets usually have a 200-300% markup over the local grocery chain.

The only reason I go is because there's always this amazing Indian food truck.

Exactly. We don't have any farmers market here during the winter and in the summer the nearest one is 30 minutes away.

There is absolutely ZERO need, not one bit of "need" for a farmer's market. I'm so sick of hearing this excuse. Learn how to COOK. Buy some real food. Stop buying sh*+ food in cans and boxes. Buy whole, real, un-processed foods, or frozen vegetables. Frozen veggies are fine, since they have been harvested, taken to the cannery, and frozen within hours. I used to work at a cannery....canned beans SAT for HOURS, or even overnight....FORZEN piles were washed, flash-frozen, and packed in about 55 minutes per truck load. Just so you know...

Vegetables are filling, and have fiber. Carrots, celery, heads of green cabbage, and one of the best of all-bok choy. Bok choy is 78 cents a pound here. The key is to get some fricking FIBER in your belly, so you literally ARE full of food, feel full, and your food, being low-glycemic, sloooowly provides energy. You can eat a massive sausage-and-veggie and sausage and black bean burrito, with a glycemic index that is so low you will NOT immediately pass out with a massive blood sugar rush....your kids will be fine all morning at school if he eats some REAL food at 7:45 AM--not a bowl of Trix or some similar crap.

You want to eat "healthy"? Spend a day and learn what low-glycemic index eating is all about. Stop eating crap food. If your kid or kids are addicted to crap food, they'll soon start eating real food within about five days, once their addiction gets a cold turkey crash course in getting off of quick ,salty, sugary, empty calorie foods like canned pasta, cookies, crackers, cereals, and so on.

Eat apples, bananas, oranges, grapes, cherries, peaches, cantaloupe...here, bananas at the discount grocery chain WinCo, are 48 cents per pound--and will be, the entire year. Navel oranges right now? 68 cents per pound. This is far, far, far less than canned or plastic cup food. Cantaloupe is 68 cents per pound. Eat beans, carrots, lettuce, celery, garlic, potatoes, peppers, bean sprouts, berries, and other actual, real, not-processed foods.

Stay the hell away from juices!!! Fiber and whole-chunk foods are far better than finely minced or ground, or even worse, pureed vegetables where the fiber has been broken down by a 10,000 RPM blade. Juices are NOT healthy, especially if they have a lot of sugars in them...the idea is that the foods are processed by the digestive system, over tiiiiiiiiiiime...not dumped into the gullet in liquid form.

Buy the apple variety that is 78 or 89 cents per pound that week. Stock up on things that keep well, like apples, oranges, onions. cabbage, bok choy. Buy frozen vegetables. Go to a stores that has lower prices, instead of making excuses.

Dinner of a bok-choy stir/fry or steam fry with chicken or sausage, with cheese and fruit for dinner and even ice cream takes me 24 minutes to prepare AND to cook. Opening a Souffer's frozen lasagne givesyou high blood pressure after about 10 years. Ask me how I know! Invest some time in making real food, and not wasting it watching some stupid half-hour ABC comedy.

Eat a LOW GLYCEMIC INDEX diet. Why? You will have plenty of fiber and plenty of food in your belly, and it will break down slooo0wly, over hours, so you will not be hungry in five minutes. All you need to do is spend one single NIGHT on the web.

Oh...and the reason you want to get off the Typical American Prepared Food Death Sentence is so you will not develop diabetes in your 40's, like I did. Once I learned about the low-glyceminc index method of food selection, my health improved markedly within two weeks. I also managed to eat better, feel better, and to lose 96 pounds over two years without doing any more exercise that I have done the last 20 years. You might not realize that white rice and white bread are far,far worse than ice cream. Ice cream is fine...I have PLENTY of it...

The neighbor kids, the CHinese ones, that eat white rice at least 12 times per week, as a staple...they all are 12 years old and are FAT, and already have pointy man-boobs. They are fat as little hogs--because their STAPLE is white rice--one of the most deadly foods, and one Harvard medical School has linked to being a key food to avoid; its consumption leads almost directly to Type 2 diabetes.

You want to lose weight, eat better, eat more, and be contented with the food you eat? Stop eating CRAP. Start buying REAL food--nobody is talking Farmer's Market organics or ANY of that crap...

My 140 pound fitness doctor cannot believe how LOW my cholesterol and A1-C levels are...I eat mostly eggs, sausage, chicken breast, bok choy, onions, green and red peppers, bananas, apples, potatoes,onions, cabbage, melon, peanuts, black beans, tortillas, refried beans, lettuce, celery, sardines, and so on... Actual, real food...I cook every single meal in a skillet or an oven. I eat ice cream like craxy because with a glycemic index of around 54 to 58 it is BETTER for a diabetic than bread or rice. I drink WHOLE MILK because whole milk has fats, which make it process more slowly than skim milk: if you love you kids do NOT let them drink skim or low-fat milk, especially with chocolate powder. You need "some" fat, "some oil", to buffer carbs and their conversion in to sugar. Low-fat milk + chocilate powder is a terrible, terrible drink for kids--it;'s almost as bad as soda.

Start buying real food. Real food. Not crap in packages and cartons and ready-to-heat. Stop buying "meal in a can" snack crap.

Get real, indeed. Start investing in your family and yourself, and stop buying the processed, non-food crap the stores are filled with. Eat veggies, fruit, meat, fish, chicken, turkey, and start looking at low-glycemic index food. MOST of it is very affordable, and the stores are FILLED with it. Learn the basics of nutrition. Stop making excuses about it being impossible to eat well with a limited food budget: I eat well, and my grocery bill is very small. My kid is normal in height and weight; the many CHinese kids here that eat rice,rice,rice constantly...man-boobs and pot-bellies by age 12. The idea that "organic" veggies are needed is rubbish. Start eating like people ate for centuries...real, whole FOOD...nothing in a package! Easy on the high-carb, processed foods.

I ate as MUCH as I wanted every night from 2013 to 2015. I dropped 96 pounds and got my A1-C level to lower-than-diabetic.

Sorry, have to disagree with your first statement. I have yet to find canned or frozen whole uncooked heirloom tomatoes. I make a wicked heirloom tomato pie from scratch. Must be heirloom for their beefier texture and lower moisture content. Farmers markets in this area provide some types of fruits and vegetables not normally available in the mega marts. A farmers market grown in the dirt, in the field in the sunshine tomato tastes worlds better than a hot house mega mart tomato.

Being a Nebraska boy I too see a value in farmers markets. Many vegetables can be frozen just fine, no argument here. However, if you've ever had corn on the cob you'd know there is a huge difference between the taste/texture it has when it's fresh and when it's frozen. Nothing quite like slow grilling a couple of fresh picked roasting ears. Frozen just can't compare.



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[robbins.photo]

I think Derrel's point is that one does not NEED to get vegetables at a farmers' market when the main goal is to try to avoid processed foods. I don't think he was saying there is no need for anyone, ever. He was reacting to the same idea that I was: that a person has only the choice of eating canned, processed foods OR spending a bunch of money on organic produce that they can't afford. That is an either-or (false dichotomy) logical fallacy.

Your example of needing specific tomatoes for a dish you like to make is a different story. The point remains that in a lot of ways, farmers' markets in many areas of the country are expensive and less accessible to an average person who is just trying to feed their family on a tight budget.

True, around here you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one. In the late summer/fall during harvest you will see roadside stands and farm families everywhere selling sweet corn out of the back of a pickup truck. I doubt you'd see that quite as much in less agricultural areas

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[runnah]

Yep, it's not only expensive it's also time consuming to feed people healthy meals. Both parents working 9+ hrs a day leaves little time for a home cooked meal.

Then you get all those people who say "Just go to a farmer's market for fresh, cheap produce."

Where exactly do you live? In my area farmer's markets usually have a 200-300% markup over the local grocery chain.

The only reason I go is because there's always this amazing Indian food truck.

Exactly. We don't have any farmers market here during the winter and in the summer the nearest one is 30 minutes away.

There is absolutely ZERO need, not one bit of "need" for a farmer's market. I'm so sick of hearing this excuse. Learn how to COOK. Buy some real food. Stop buying sh*+ food in cans and boxes. Buy whole, real, un-processed foods, or frozen vegetables. Frozen veggies are fine, since they have been harvested, taken to the cannery, and frozen within hours. I used to work at a cannery....canned beans SAT for HOURS, or even overnight....FORZEN piles were washed, flash-frozen, and packed in about 55 minutes per truck load. Just so you know...

Vegetables are filling, and have fiber. Carrots, celery, heads of green cabbage, and one of the best of all-bok choy. Bok choy is 78 cents a pound here. The key is to get some fricking FIBER in your belly, so you literally ARE full of food, feel full, and your food, being low-glycemic, sloooowly provides energy. You can eat a massive sausage-and-veggie and sausage and black bean burrito, with a glycemic index that is so low you will NOT immediately pass out with a massive blood sugar rush....your kids will be fine all morning at school if he eats some REAL food at 7:45 AM--not a bowl of Trix or some similar crap.

You want to eat "healthy"? Spend a day and learn what low-glycemic index eating is all about. Stop eating crap food. If your kid or kids are addicted to crap food, they'll soon start eating real food within about five days, once their addiction gets a cold turkey crash course in getting off of quick ,salty, sugary, empty calorie foods like canned pasta, cookies, crackers, cereals, and so on.

Eat apples, bananas, oranges, grapes, cherries, peaches, cantaloupe...here, bananas at the discount grocery chain WinCo, are 48 cents per pound--and will be, the entire year. Navel oranges right now? 68 cents per pound. This is far, far, far less than canned or plastic cup food. Cantaloupe is 68 cents per pound. Eat beans, carrots, lettuce, celery, garlic, potatoes, peppers, bean sprouts, berries, and other actual, real, not-processed foods.

Stay the hell away from juices!!! Fiber and whole-chunk foods are far better than finely minced or ground, or even worse, pureed vegetables where the fiber has been broken down by a 10,000 RPM blade. Juices are NOT healthy, especially if they have a lot of sugars in them...the idea is that the foods are processed by the digestive system, over tiiiiiiiiiiime...not dumped into the gullet in liquid form.

Buy the apple variety that is 78 or 89 cents per pound that week. Stock up on things that keep well, like apples, oranges, onions. cabbage, bok choy. Buy frozen vegetables. Go to a stores that has lower prices, instead of making excuses.

Dinner of a bok-choy stir/fry or steam fry with chicken or sausage, with cheese and fruit for dinner and even ice cream takes me 24 minutes to prepare AND to cook. Opening a Souffer's frozen lasagne givesyou high blood pressure after about 10 years. Ask me how I know! Invest some time in making real food, and not wasting it watching some stupid half-hour ABC comedy.

Eat a LOW GLYCEMIC INDEX diet. Why? You will have plenty of fiber and plenty of food in your belly, and it will break down slooo0wly, over hours, so you will not be hungry in five minutes. All you need to do is spend one single NIGHT on the web.

Oh...and the reason you want to get off the Typical American Prepared Food Death Sentence is so you will not develop diabetes in your 40's, like I did. Once I learned about the low-glyceminc index method of food selection, my health improved markedly within two weeks. I also managed to eat better, feel better, and to lose 96 pounds over two years without doing any more exercise that I have done the last 20 years. You might not realize that white rice and white bread are far,far worse than ice cream. Ice cream is fine...I have PLENTY of it...

The neighbor kids, the CHinese ones, that eat white rice at least 12 times per week, as a staple...they all are 12 years old and are FAT, and already have pointy man-boobs. They are fat as little hogs--because their STAPLE is white rice--one of the most deadly foods, and one Harvard medical School has linked to being a key food to avoid; its consumption leads almost directly to Type 2 diabetes.

You want to lose weight, eat better, eat more, and be contented with the food you eat? Stop eating CRAP. Start buying REAL food--nobody is talking Farmer's Market organics or ANY of that crap...

My 140 pound fitness doctor cannot believe how LOW my cholesterol and A1-C levels are...I eat mostly eggs, sausage, chicken breast, bok choy, onions, green and red peppers, bananas, apples, potatoes,onions, cabbage, melon, peanuts, black beans, tortillas, refried beans, lettuce, celery, sardines, and so on... Actual, real food...I cook every single meal in a skillet or an oven. I eat ice cream like craxy because with a glycemic index of around 54 to 58 it is BETTER for a diabetic than bread or rice. I drink WHOLE MILK because whole milk has fats, which make it process more slowly than skim milk: if you love you kids do NOT let them drink skim or low-fat milk, especially with chocolate powder. You need "some" fat, "some oil", to buffer carbs and their conversion in to sugar. Low-fat milk + chocilate powder is a terrible, terrible drink for kids--it;'s almost as bad as soda.

Start buying real food. Real food. Not crap in packages and cartons and ready-to-heat. Stop buying "meal in a can" snack crap.

Get real, indeed. Start investing in your family and yourself, and stop buying the processed, non-food crap the stores are filled with. Eat veggies, fruit, meat, fish, chicken, turkey, and start looking at low-glycemic index food. MOST of it is very affordable, and the stores are FILLED with it. Learn the basics of nutrition. Stop making excuses about it being impossible to eat well with a limited food budget: I eat well, and my grocery bill is very small. My kid is normal in height and weight; the many CHinese kids here that eat rice,rice,rice constantly...man-boobs and pot-bellies by age 12. The idea that "organic" veggies are needed is rubbish. Start eating like people ate for centuries...real, whole FOOD...nothing in a package! Easy on the high-carb, processed foods.

I ate as MUCH as I wanted every night from 2013 to 2015. I dropped 96 pounds and got my A1-C level to lower-than-diabetic.

Sorry, have to disagree with your first statement. I have yet to find canned or frozen whole uncooked heirloom tomatoes. I make a wicked heirloom tomato pie from scratch. Must be heirloom for their beefier texture and lower moisture content. Farmers markets in this area provide some types of fruits and vegetables not normally available in the mega marts. A farmers market grown in the dirt, in the field in the sunshine tomato tastes worlds better than a hot house mega mart tomato.

Tomato pie? You mean pizza?

 

[minicoop1985]

I HAVE AN OPINION!!!! What are we talking about now? Because I'm sure I have an opinion YOU NEED TO HEAR about it.

 

[table1349]

Yep, it's not only expensive it's also time consuming to feed people healthy meals. Both parents working 9+ hrs a day leaves little time for a home cooked meal.

Then you get all those people who say "Just go to a farmer's market for fresh, cheap produce."

Where exactly do you live? In my area farmer's markets usually have a 200-300% markup over the local grocery chain.

The only reason I go is because there's always this amazing Indian food truck.

Exactly. We don't have any farmers market here during the winter and in the summer the nearest one is 30 minutes away.

There is absolutely ZERO need, not one bit of "need" for a farmer's market. I'm so sick of hearing this excuse. Learn how to COOK. Buy some real food. Stop buying sh*+ food in cans and boxes. Buy whole, real, un-processed foods, or frozen vegetables. Frozen veggies are fine, since they have been harvested, taken to the cannery, and frozen within hours. I used to work at a cannery....canned beans SAT for HOURS, or even overnight....FORZEN piles were washed, flash-frozen, and packed in about 55 minutes per truck load. Just so you know...

Vegetables are filling, and have fiber. Carrots, celery, heads of green cabbage, and one of the best of all-bok choy. Bok choy is 78 cents a pound here. The key is to get some fricking FIBER in your belly, so you literally ARE full of food, feel full, and your food, being low-glycemic, sloooowly provides energy. You can eat a massive sausage-and-veggie and sausage and black bean burrito, with a glycemic index that is so low you will NOT immediately pass out with a massive blood sugar rush....your kids will be fine all morning at school if he eats some REAL food at 7:45 AM--not a bowl of Trix or some similar crap.

You want to eat "healthy"? Spend a day and learn what low-glycemic index eating is all about. Stop eating crap food. If your kid or kids are addicted to crap food, they'll soon start eating real food within about five days, once their addiction gets a cold turkey crash course in getting off of quick ,salty, sugary, empty calorie foods like canned pasta, cookies, crackers, cereals, and so on.

Eat apples, bananas, oranges, grapes, cherries, peaches, cantaloupe...here, bananas at the discount grocery chain WinCo, are 48 cents per pound--and will be, the entire year. Navel oranges right now? 68 cents per pound. This is far, far, far less than canned or plastic cup food. Cantaloupe is 68 cents per pound. Eat beans, carrots, lettuce, celery, garlic, potatoes, peppers, bean sprouts, berries, and other actual, real, not-processed foods.

Stay the hell away from juices!!! Fiber and whole-chunk foods are far better than finely minced or ground, or even worse, pureed vegetables where the fiber has been broken down by a 10,000 RPM blade. Juices are NOT healthy, especially if they have a lot of sugars in them...the idea is that the foods are processed by the digestive system, over tiiiiiiiiiiime...not dumped into the gullet in liquid form.

Buy the apple variety that is 78 or 89 cents per pound that week. Stock up on things that keep well, like apples, oranges, onions. cabbage, bok choy. Buy frozen vegetables. Go to a stores that has lower prices, instead of making excuses.

Dinner of a bok-choy stir/fry or steam fry with chicken or sausage, with cheese and fruit for dinner and even ice cream takes me 24 minutes to prepare AND to cook. Opening a Souffer's frozen lasagne givesyou high blood pressure after about 10 years. Ask me how I know! Invest some time in making real food, and not wasting it watching some stupid half-hour ABC comedy.

Eat a LOW GLYCEMIC INDEX diet. Why? You will have plenty of fiber and plenty of food in your belly, and it will break down slooo0wly, over hours, so you will not be hungry in five minutes. All you need to do is spend one single NIGHT on the web.

Oh...and the reason you want to get off the Typical American Prepared Food Death Sentence is so you will not develop diabetes in your 40's, like I did. Once I learned about the low-glyceminc index method of food selection, my health improved markedly within two weeks. I also managed to eat better, feel better, and to lose 96 pounds over two years without doing any more exercise that I have done the last 20 years. You might not realize that white rice and white bread are far,far worse than ice cream. Ice cream is fine...I have PLENTY of it...

The neighbor kids, the CHinese ones, that eat white rice at least 12 times per week, as a staple...they all are 12 years old and are FAT, and already have pointy man-boobs. They are fat as little hogs--because their STAPLE is white rice--one of the most deadly foods, and one Harvard medical School has linked to being a key food to avoid; its consumption leads almost directly to Type 2 diabetes.

You want to lose weight, eat better, eat more, and be contented with the food you eat? Stop eating CRAP. Start buying REAL food--nobody is talking Farmer's Market organics or ANY of that crap...

My 140 pound fitness doctor cannot believe how LOW my cholesterol and A1-C levels are...I eat mostly eggs, sausage, chicken breast, bok choy, onions, green and red peppers, bananas, apples, potatoes,onions, cabbage, melon, peanuts, black beans, tortillas, refried beans, lettuce, celery, sardines, and so on... Actual, real food...I cook every single meal in a skillet or an oven. I eat ice cream like craxy because with a glycemic index of around 54 to 58 it is BETTER for a diabetic than bread or rice. I drink WHOLE MILK because whole milk has fats, which make it process more slowly than skim milk: if you love you kids do NOT let them drink skim or low-fat milk, especially with chocolate powder. You need "some" fat, "some oil", to buffer carbs and their conversion in to sugar. Low-fat milk + chocilate powder is a terrible, terrible drink for kids--it;'s almost as bad as soda.

Start buying real food. Real food. Not crap in packages and cartons and ready-to-heat. Stop buying "meal in a can" snack crap.

Get real, indeed. Start investing in your family and yourself, and stop buying the processed, non-food crap the stores are filled with. Eat veggies, fruit, meat, fish, chicken, turkey, and start looking at low-glycemic index food. MOST of it is very affordable, and the stores are FILLED with it. Learn the basics of nutrition. Stop making excuses about it being impossible to eat well with a limited food budget: I eat well, and my grocery bill is very small. My kid is normal in height and weight; the many CHinese kids here that eat rice,rice,rice constantly...man-boobs and pot-bellies by age 12. The idea that "organic" veggies are needed is rubbish. Start eating like people ate for centuries...real, whole FOOD...nothing in a package! Easy on the high-carb, processed foods.

I ate as MUCH as I wanted every night from 2013 to 2015. I dropped 96 pounds and got my A1-C level to lower-than-diabetic.

Sorry, have to disagree with your first statement. I have yet to find canned or frozen whole uncooked heirloom tomatoes. I make a wicked heirloom tomato pie from scratch. Must be heirloom for their beefier texture and lower moisture content. Farmers markets in this area provide some types of fruits and vegetables not normally available in the mega marts. A farmers market grown in the dirt, in the field in the sunshine tomato tastes worlds better than a hot house mega mart tomato.

Tomato pie? You mean pizza?

Nope!

Ingredients
1 cup all-purpose flour
3/4 cup yellow cornmeal
3/4 teaspoon fine salt
1 stick cold unsalted butter, cut into 1/2-inch pieces
3/4 cup plus 3 tablespoons shredded manchego cheese
2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
1 large onion, thinly sliced
2 1/4 pounds mixed heirloom tomatoes
Kosher salt
3/4 cup shredded mozzarella cheese
1/4 cup mayonnaise
3 tablespoons breadcrumbs
3 tablespoons chopped fresh chives
3 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley
1 teaspoon chopped fresh thyme
Freshly ground pepper



Directions
Make the crust: Pulse the flour, cornmeal and fine salt in a food processor to combine. Add the butter and 3 tablespoons manchego; pulse until the mixture looks like coarse meal with pea-size bits of butter. Drizzle in 4 tablespoons ice water and pulse until the dough comes together; add 1 more tablespoon ice water if necessary. Turn out onto a sheet of plastic wrap and pat into a disk. Wrap and refrigerate until firm, about 45 minutes.

Put the dough between 2 sheets of parchment paper and roll into a 13-inch round. Transfer the dough to a 9 1/2-inch deep-dish pie plate. Fold the overhang under itself and crimp the edges. Pierce the bottom of the crust all over with a fork. Refrigerate until firm, about 20 minutes. Meanwhile, preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.

Line the crust with foil, then fill with dried beans. Bake until the edges are golden, about 20 minutes. Remove the foil and beans and continue baking until golden all over, 10 to 15 more minutes. Transfer to a rack to cool.

Make the filling: Heat 1 tablespoon olive oil in a large skillet over medium heat. Add the onion and cook, stirring, until golden, about 15 minutes. Let cool. Meanwhile, thinly slice the tomatoes; toss with 1 teaspoon kosher salt in a colander. Let drain, gently tossing occasionally, about 30 minutes.

Increase the oven temperature to 375 degrees F. Combine the remaining 3/4 cup manchego, the mozzarella, mayonnaise, breadcrumbs, 2 tablespoons each chives and parsley, the thyme, 1/4 teaspoon each kosher salt and pepper, and the sauteed onion in a bowl. Spread in the crust. Arrange the tomatoes on top. Drizzle with the remaining 1 tablespoon olive oil and season with pepper. Bake until the tomatoes are browned, about 50 minutes. Top with the remaining 1 tablespoon each chives and parsley.