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Hi, I have a Canon 60D, 50mm f/1.8 lens... over the weekend I took some pictures of a group of people in a restaurant. For whatever reason my daughter who sat on the very end of the table was the only one who was blurry. I can't recall the exact mode I was shooting in. Anyway, I was wondering, if I had shot in the manual mode (I know I didn't use this mode) what is a good aperture to ensure that no one is blurry in the group? Whatever mode I picked I believe ended up shooting with an aperture of f/1.8 but I'm wondering why everyone else was in focus with the exception of the last person on the left side of the photo. At f/1.8 shouldn't majority of the people in the photo been somewhat blurry? I'm totally confused. Please kindly respond, thanks!
 
You should post one of the photos so it's easier for people to give you advice on what you could change next time. Do you mean blurry from movement or out of focus? I would have used an external flash and had a smaller aperture. You could slow the shutter speed a little with a tripod as well if needed.
 
Actually with such low f stop you are going to have less in focus. A higher f stop would have ensured everyone in focus. Possibly post the picture so we can see how much of a blur
 
I believe it was blurry from out of focus but I could be wrong. Sorry I will post a photo when I get a moment. So when shooting indoors is the best way to get clear photos of everyone in a group setting to shoot in manual mode and use an external flash when there's limited lighting?
 
achua00 said:
I believe it was blurry from out of focus but I could be wrong. Sorry I will post a photo when I get a moment. So when shooting indoors is the best way to get clear photos of everyone in a group setting to shoot in manual mode and use an external flash when there's limited lighting?

I personally would use an external flash and bounce it or soft boxes if available. If your aperture if to big your DOF is too shallow and you may have people out of focus, if you raise your iso too much you get noise and if the shutter speed is too slow you can get blur from movement.
 
Thank you very much for your help!
 
Actually with such low f stop you are going to have less in focus.
Yes, but lens aperture is only one of several factors that affect depth-of-field (DOF). Focus point distance is also important.

If the table was pretty wide, using a 50 mm lens means the camera wasn't very close to the table, so everyone at the table would be in the shot. As distance from the focal point to the camera increases, so does the depth of the DOF, even if the lens is wide open.

Using a 50 mm lens on a Nikon DX body, with the aperture set to f/1.8 the total DOF is 0.21 feet (about 2.5 inches) with the focal point just 5 feet in front of the camera (actually the image sensor). At 20 feet of focal point distance, with the same aperture, the total DOF increases to 3.5 feet, easily the width of a rectangular restaurant table.

If you use supplimental lighting, you don't need to use a wide aperture.

Using bounced light can be problematic for several reasons:
  • the bounced light is coming almost straight down giving everyone dark eye sockets (Raccoon eyes) if the ceiling is flat. You can however use a 'bounce card' to somewhat mitigate the issue. If the ceiling isn't flat the light gets distributed unevenly. (see the Inverse Square Law referred to below.)
  • bounced flash will take on a color cast if the ceiling isn't white, and what looks white may not actually be white because our eyes and brain work together to meet our expectations.
  • bouncing the light effectively doubles the distance it has to travel and the Inverse Square Law applies. Inverse-square law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Softboxes don't work to good on groups, unless you have some good sized ones, and there are not many restaurants that will let you setup light stands and softboxes unless you have made prior arrangements. A single hot shoe type light is not often sufficient for a group of people.
 
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