HDR Shootout #30

[EchoingWhisper]

Photography is like drawing. HDR is just like another way of drawing, if you intend to draw the same thing the same way every time then it is not art.

 

[Bynx]

I dont know how others feel, but I shoot pics for me. To give me some satisfaction or to teach me something I dont know. I enjoy the process of HDR and what it can do to pics regardless of what anyone else says. If I try to improve an otherwise lousy shot so be it. Thats my business and I only have to please myself. If you think I try to pass it off as a good pic thats stupid because if its not a good pic then just looking at it will say so. So whats with this attitude about using HDR as a crutch to cover up lousy pics. What if it is, so what. You dont like it go away. But we are all here to please ourselves and not anyone else, especially dip$hit a$$holes like those already mentioned as well as our latest newcomer.

 

[McNugget801]

You dont like it go away. But we are all here to please ourselves and not anyone else, especially dip$hit a$$holes like those already mentioned as well as our latest newcomer.

You should try taking your own advise Bynx.
More name calling... shocking.

 

[cgipson1]

You dont like it go away. But we are all here to please ourselves and not anyone else, especially dip$hit a$$holes like those already mentioned as well as our latest newcomer.

You should try taking your own advise Bynx.
More name calling... shocking.

McNugget... the thread had no negativity issues until you showed up and started being yourself. I noticed in a thread from 2009.. you pulled some negative crap also, posted two pics A&B... and asked the forum to pick which one they like best. You then gave them crap because they picked the photo you had HDR'd, and you thought they were stupid for doing so. So apparently you like to "troll". Anything to inflate that ego, right?

Apparently you don't like HDR.. even though you apparently use it... so why bother injecting your "debatable" opinion's where they are neither wanted, nor were they asked for? Yes, you have the right to post what you want, where you want.. but hey, get a clue!

You have basically hi-jacked and destroyed this thread with your negative, self aggrandizing statements... so please, just go away! That way we can get back to enjoying our stupid, bad HDR processing, and continue trying to improve our skills with it.

 

[480sparky]

 

[McNugget801]

Still looking for thread where I start calling people names....

 

[cgipson1]

Still looking for thread where I start calling people names....

a troll never calls names.. he just implies, and uses innuendo (translate that as BS).

 

[cgipson1]

Gentleman... as Sparky hinted, lets just ignore and not respond to any post from a certain individual... take away his ego strokes, and maybe he will go away!

EDIT: I just went and found the IGNORE list.. and guess who is on it now! I would suggest that all sane individuals do the same (not implying that I am sane.. too late for that!)

 

[GeorgieGirl]

I purchased a book I really liked titled: Digital Landscape Photography by Michael Frye and I thought the book was one of the best I have had the change to read where landscape photography is concerned. It goes into details about using the Zone System to blend photos in PS very similar to the idea of HDR photography using multiple exposures, but the results were dramatically different in that the combination of the images created a realistic photo, which is unlike the results often found with HDR.

I looked today at the photo McNugget posted that was resurrected today entitled The Wave, and its my opinion that the methodolgy that was followed for that photo, from the composition to the exposure(s) and the PP was different than the bridge photo that is the subject in this thread.

I think there is a wide gap between two styles; 1)blending for deliberate exposure contrast, and 2) what some consider a scattershot method of EV shooting for HDR.

I don't doubt that some who work hard on landscape photography, with its critical lighting and exposure, find HDR and its often found cavalier approach to shooting for EV a cover up for a lack of core disciplines or understanding of lighting and exposure that can create a naturally dramatic photo.

Hopefully everyone will be able to hear what is being said without continuing to take offense to it, (and name calling) because the underlying message is powerful and has merit for anyone who shoots landscapes.

 

[480sparky]

Gentleman... as Sparky hinted, lets just ignore and not respond to any post from a certain individual... take away his ego strokes, and maybe he will go away!

EDIT: I just went and found the IGNORE list.. and guess who is on it now! I would suggest that all sane individuals do the same (not implying that I am sane.. too late for that!)

 

[cgipson1]

I have seen many photos, with HDR used tastefully and gently... that were indeed enhanced by HDR. The lack of range on our digital sensors renders HDR useful in some situations, and allows some shots to show good detail at the extremes of exposure that would be nearly impossible any other way. It is in bad repute primarily because so many people use it with a very heavy hand... rather than being subtle with it.

I do agree that you still need get the best exposure possible on the 0 image, before you even consider taking the over and under shots needed for HDR.

 

[480sparky]

I don't recall anyone claiming HDR is the perfect end to all means.

It is simply one more weapon in every shooter's arsenal. Whether it be a utilizing a GND, choosing a certain focal length lens, use of a tripod, bouncing a flash, stitching a pano together, or creating an HDR........ the world is not a perfect place and we can bring to bear a variety of choices to create the image we're after. Whether those choices are done in the field or at the 'digital darkroom', as long as the end result is what the artists wants, then that's all that matters.

 

[McNugget801]

I purchased a book I really liked titled: Digital Landscape Photography by Michael Frye and I thought the book was one of the best I have had the change to read where landscape photography is concerned. It goes into details about using the Zone System to blend photos in PS very similar to the idea of HDR photography using multiple exposures, but the results were dramatically different in that the combination of the images created a realistic photo, which is unlike the results often found with HDR.

I looked today at the photo McNugget posted that was resurrected today entitled The Wave, and its my opinion that the methodolgy that was followed for that photo, from the composition to the exposure(s) and the PP was different than the bridge photo that is the subject in this thread.

I think there is a wide gap between two styles; 1)blending for deliberate exposure contrast, and 2) what some consider a scattershot method of EV shooting for HDR.

I don't doubt that some who work hard on landscape photography, with its critical lighting and exposure, find HDR and its often found cavalier approach to shooting for EV a cover up for a lack of core disciplines or understanding of lighting and exposure that can create a naturally dramatic photo.

Hopefully everyone will be able to hear what is being said without continuing to take offense to it, (and name calling) because the underlying message is powerful and has merit for anyone who shoots landscapes.

Excellent post.
For the record I do shoot HDR and I'm proud of it.

I do agree that you still need get the best exposure possible on the 0 image, before you even consider taking the over and under shots needed for HDR.

Exactly




Still trying to find a trolling post that I have made.
Maybe you should read it all again.....

No offense intended... just being honest.

No need to get all huffy, your shot just not my cup of tea and just like you I'm entitled to my own opinion.

I told you 3 times I was not trying to be rude... obviously you are.

Yet I was accused of "belittling", "trolling", and as Bynx so gracefully put being one of those "dip$hit a$$holes". I think a few of you need to grow up and try a little harder to be civil and more adult like.

 

[cgipson1]

I don't recall anyone claiming HDR is the perfect end to all means.

It is simply one more weapon in every shooter's arsenal. Whether it be a utilizing a GND, choosing a certain focal length lens, use of a tripod, bouncing a flash, stitching a pano together, or creating an HDR........ the world is not a perfect place and we can bring to bear a variety of choices to create the image we're after. Whether those choices are done in the field or at the 'digital darkroom', as long as the end result is what the artists wants, then that's all that matters.

agreed x10!

 

[Bynx]

GeorgieGirl you have made a few statements that are really BS. Shooting for HDR does not cover up for a lack of core disciplines or understanding of lighting and exposure that can create a naturally dramatic photo. Its like saying using a camera covers up for those poor souls who dont have any artistic abilities and cant draw beautiful portraits or landscapes with a pencil or a paintbrush. Absolutely no one can argue against HDR. That being said then lets talk tone mapping. Thats where the trouble lays. Heavy handed people who screw up a good image either on purpose or quite unintentionally because of some reason or another. To get a good coverage for HDR the best 0 EV must be used and the over and under shots go from there. In the example in this thread Sparky supplied the 0 EV and Im assuming that that is the best shot that could be taken at that particular time. Not exactly a keeper, but that in combination with other shots does produce a better image. In the example I submitted I went the regular route and upon seeing the fuzzy look to the trees I cut and pasted one of the exposures I liked best for a sharp clear image of the leaves and branches. Photomatix et all, are just tools to be used any way we choose to produce any kind of image we want. This thread is about HDR so thats why we see HDR images (actually more like tone mapped HDR images), and we dont apologize for any of it. Its not a crutch, or any other kind of excuse thats being used by fools who dont know how to use their cameras and I take exception to anyone who suggests it is.