I thought this was Beyond the Basics?

[GeneralBenson]

Maybe instead of selecting "My photos are OK to edit" the choices should be "I prefer to be coddled" or "Give it to me straight."

Bahahahaha! :lmao:

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

As a former paratrooper, I have no problem with a critical review of any image I post. 'Hard but fair' was thrown around a bunch, the only difference between that and this is as a paratrooper I might die with a silly mistake. Worse thing here is you guys leave a snarky remark and do not leave me any details on how to better a shot.
An example is the shot I took last night at a timed exposure, the second one I've done in my life. I leave my info that it was f/8 for 13 seconds The first response I get is (paraphrased) "wow! The duck sat still for 13 seconds!" After responding back they were bedding down for the night and looking through some other threads it dawned on me he was being sarcastic. After a PM he tells me 13 seconds exceeds what is needed to achieve the silky effect of the water falling.

But he also mistakenly assumes my shot is taken while the sun is out. I'm pretty sure sure that if the sun was out with details given my picture would have been a near white out.

As serious as I am about it you can laugh at my mistakes just as long as you are teaching me (i.e. pointing out my mistake) while you are doing so, hell, I may even laugh with you.

Relating to that post...

F/8 for 13 seconds.

Maybe if you give a little more information in your posts, you might get a better response.
Don't make the reader guess at all the information you have and we don't.
The part I bolded is snarky to me. After all, you could have used ND filters.
We are not mind readers. You even complained that Schwetty mistakenly ASSUMED something.
What do you want CC on?
This is the biggest failure on the part of new posters, is not giving enough information of the shot, what your intentions were, and what you want help on.

Again and again, we get "here's my photo, what can I do to get better?"
:roll:

 

[Robin Usagani]

No.. I didnt assume annything. All I saw was 13 second shutter. I am not sure I can shoot an animal with 13 second shutter without motion blur. It was pure joke. That was ONE STILL DUCK!

 

[Stevenl]

First off, a public apology to you Schwettylens for thinking you were being sarcastic and assuming you would know my shot was done at night with no filters.

In regards to my point on the thread Snakeguy101 and o hey tyler did'nt seem to have much difficulty giving me feedback, bitter jeweler. But I get your point, and from now on I will do better in regards to the information I give.

I will be honest, I did'nt read it if there is a sticky saying to give all the details of the shots we put on here. I never see anything given so I though I was doing good with what I put out there.

Did I get defensive? Yes, it's human nature, not unlike you did when I critiqued the way some of you give critiques. I'm a newby but I have opinions. Anyway, I have learned from it, I apologized and I'm moving on to the next thread.

 

[MichiganFarts]

Honesty is not always harsh.

True, however your followup....

If you were actually honest, you'd be both harsh, and sympathetic...and then you wouldn't need a disclaimer for your harshness.

....has holes large enough to drive a Mack truck through. Honesty has no prerequisites or supplementals. It just is.

I laugh at how you're actually agreeing with me...yet acting like you're correcting me. I never said honesty had prerequisites bud. My point was simple...you wouldn't have harshness as the only thing coming from you if you were honest. My post was about how you would be responding to people if you were actually an honest person. Simple...not anything to be read into, not a description of honesty. Not an end all be all statement as to everything regarding honesty.

You better park your mac truck, because the opening isn't that big, and your perception is way off.

 

[MichiganFarts]

Sympathy replaces honesty. Sympathy can even keep one from commenting altogether.

It's the namby pamby everyone is a winner world.

"Sympathy replaces honesty" is a dishonest phrase in itself. It can, but whether it does or not is purely case by case.

 

[neneaniket]

Fully Agree, Beyond the basics stage is where the amateur needs guidance from a pro with his harsh yet guiding words !

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

I think more than anything, we need an "arm chair philosopher" forum. We can use it to house threads like these as well as the following:

"When am I a pro"

"When am I a photographer"

"Are UV filters useless"

"When am I ready to shoot a wedding"



"Is banging the model ethical"

 

[Garbz]

"Is banging the model ethical"

This is a no brainer. Models are people too. Banging people is ethical. Therefor by the commutative rule banging models is ethical. Q.E.D.

Maybe we need a logic and maths forum too

 

[Bram]

Yayyy finally a pro of 35 years with 130 posts is going to give me advice on how to AF the nifty fifty on my D40 :greenpbl:

 

[AmazingGrace0385]

The fact is we all start somewhere. Right now I'm in the "beginner" forum, mostly b/c I'm new to TPF... I have been shooting manual and have a pretty good, but general, understanding of SS, f/, and ISO, and still have a lot to learn regarding lighting and composition. I agree there's more to getting past the "beginner" stage than just learning manual on a camera. It's a big step, but not the final one. When I first saw "Beyond the Basics" I originally thought of being beyond learning manual, but have realized there's more to it than that.

Also, many of us can take honest critique, but like a PP stated, there's a difference between being straight out harsh and giving constructive criticism.

 

[PASM]

The 'my shoelace has come undone, what should I do?" questions become very tedious.

 

[PASM]

Make a FAQ sticky. Then they can go FAQ themselves.

 

[AmazingGrace0385]

I like the FAQ idea!

 

[Overread]

Remembering of course that when a thread is made sticky it gains invisibility as well. So you won't stop the threads being made - but you can save yourself typing by directing them to the sticky via a link of course.