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The sad fact is.. it doesn't have to.
Can you state clearly what you think wifi on a camera can do and what you expect it to do?
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The sad fact is.. it doesn't have to.
Now tell me, how often do you like a photo straight up with no editing? I always edit my photos slightly. Just preference.Or people who get it right in camera, and would prefer skipping the step of raw editing, in lieu of being able to share an experience as it's happening.
Yes, these are all practical applications.
But what if someone doesn't care about those applications or require them for their business? Why should they then care about wif-fi? Someone can still understand the practicality and use in a general sense but still not need it or want it for personal use. Why is that such a problem?
It's not.
The problem is the ridicule of a potentially useful feature. It's important to keep in min this site gets TONS of readers. The huge majority of those are un-registered users, researching, reading and learning. They are forming opinions. Long after people stop contributing to this thread, it will still show up in search results.
There's a heavy skew in this thread to the negative around this feature. Myself and a few others are representing the other, VALID side to this argument.
Understood. There was some ridicule of wi-fi. But there was also ridicule of those who didn't find it useful. And there have been a LOT of "I see that it's useful but just not for me" opinions being aired, which are just as valid as the Solidly For and Solidly Against crowds. At this point, it's feeling like a lot of browbeating (on BOTH sides - I'm not pointing fingers at anyone!) into getting others to agree 100% with their opinions, and not a lot of the educating you're trying to keep in mind.
Why limit it at wifi? Why not add 4g to all nikons. Now my photos can go to my Facebook anywhere!
Dude, I know you're trying to be cute here. But you're basically making a joke about something that already exists. Most phones have 4G (or will have in the very near future). So DSLR Wi-fi + 4G is already a very real possibility in many areas. Which means you can back up your photos through your cell network at reasonably fast speeds, even with large files.
And just FYI, there are many people who would be delighted with the possibility of sharing a photo to Facebook or other places INSTANTLY. Not everyone requires the traditional Raw workflow for every image. Ask Imagemaker. I think he does this for a living, and shoots JPEG only, and sports.
I saw a video one time regarding a sport photographer (not sure if it was olympics or worldcup) that he needed to RUSH back to his laptop in the common room where everybody trying to dump the photos to their laptop and then upload them during break so that the company can publish them right away. And then RUSH back to the field to continue to take photos. During that time inside that room, which was designated for the sport photographers or photo journalists, were packed with people. Looks like everybody were trying to send their work ASAP. If technology allow them to do it easier, why not?
Absolutely, we've definitely established in the sports world in general this will be/already is a key features of DSLR. But DSLR wi-fi can be used in MANY other applications for the hobbyist/semi-pro/and pro, many of which I've listed.
We are a society about cutting the cords. We talk on cell phones (not wired rotary phones). Everything is transmitted wirelessly. Everything is moving to the cloud.
Maybe you need to read my first post... my point was "I get flamed (a lot ) for bashing manufactures lack of WiFi support in their products".. we are on page 8 of this thread.
Can you provide links to where you've been flamed for doing that? I may have missed that obviously large collection of posts...
Sure, Steve, I had to dig pretty deep to find a few examples, but I think you'll see what he's talking about here.
Some people are talking about things that require a cell connection, others are talking about needing routers and cloud based storage on an established wireless network. If I am standing in a field taking photos my camera having wifi or not means squat if I am not on a net work or have a mobile hotspot with me. This is also disregarding all the back end functions. Is the camera just a push or are you expecting it to put out to social networking sites and cloud databases?.
Myself and a few others are representing the other, VALID side to this argument.
And this is why no one ever really takes you seriously.
Both sides of the discussion are valid. By saying that those who aren't fans of it are presenting an invalid argument is silly because, by default, it demands that you take the position that it's useful for everyone.
And it's not...
For the record... I'm 45...
I'm on 3G. LolApparently, 4G phones account for only 30% of North American smartphone/cellular/mobile traffic in North America, so the idea that "most phones" have 4G access in North America is in fact wildly off-base. It seems that in reality, 70% of North american smart/cellular/mobile phones do NOT have 4G access... 4G Account for 30 Percent Of Mobile Traffic - Business Insider
45 year old men who've been in the corporate world are usually more open and receptive to hearing differing ideas and opinions and, when they don't agree with them, they discuss them. They don't whine about being flamed.For the record... I'm 45...
Myself and a few others are representing the other, VALID side to this argument.
Both sides of the discussion are valid. By saying that those who aren't fans of it are presenting an invalid argument is silly because, by default, it demands that you take the position that it's useful for everyone.
I find it interesting that Rotanimod JUST bought himself a Canon 6D, which is apparently one of the TWO d-slr models in the entire world that has built-in WiFi, and he's lobbying vociferously for its amazing "potential usefulness".
Meanwhile, Gavjenks, who also owns a Canon 6D which he's had for a few months, seems to be much less rambunctious and less-enthusiastic about the usefulness of WiFi.
Food for though...
Both are normally pretty smart fellows, and Rotanimod is a personal friend of mine, and Gavjenks is one of my favorite TPF forum members, but I find it interesting to see the opinions of two people, each of whom has spent money on a technology that is, for the most part, only sold as an afterthought in 98% of the d-slrs ever built and sold.
The emphasis placed on "valid" is there because the idea of DSLR wi-fi has been continuously invalidated in this thread.
Apparently, 4G phones account for only 30% of North American smartphone/cellular/mobile traffic in North America, so the idea that "most phones" have 4G access in North America is in fact wildly off-base. It seems that in reality, 70% of North American smart/cellular/mobile phones do NOT have 4G access...
4G Account for 30 Percent Of Mobile Traffic - Business Insider
As to the idea that 4G service will "soon be" coming to most customers--I remember back in Grade 1 in school we were introduced to the "metric system", because , "The Unites States will be fully metric by 1977." The powers that be had mandated it! GONE, gone I tell you...no more pounds and ounces, no more inches and feet and yards and miles...we would all bow down to the superiority of...the metric system of weights and measures.
Uh, yeah...