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is there a possibility of a unprocessed section here?

Well my dad always used to say if you ever need to take a simple straightforward process and turn it into something ridiculous and unworkable all you need is a committee.

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hey now. it would be handy imo. Those from the film era would probably love it. Those that never quite learned to use a camera and rely heavily on post processing probably not so much, but they could use it to better their shooting (and the newbies and everyone really).
post processing does cover a lot of sin sometimes. which isn't beneficial in learning to shoot.

Not that I disagree in principle but I think folks are going to get better feedback and help if they post in a forum specific to the subject matter.

I've got a lot more advice to offer folks taking zoo or wildlife type pics than I do for say someone taking landscapes.

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true. suppose im just encouraging the traditional learning format and fundamentals before the pp learning. Everyone really should be made to start off in film and work up to digital. LOL As I think people that get involved in pp to fast or rely on it heavy never quite get the fundamentals and in camera down but use pp for a crutch.
 
The trouble is, even JPG has processing done, just in camera vs out, and some of the JPG processing can get pretty wild in camera.

Agreed. SOOC doesn't mean unprocessed it means processed by the camera.

So the conflict cropping up here is just about understanding what the OP intends with the term unprocessed. There is no unprocessed. There is however a camera generated JPEG and it's certainly possible to examine all that goes into trying to make the best one of those by leaning to manipulate all of the camera's adjsutment controls.

Joe

Right. This isn't just Joe's opinion either. This is fact. Your camera is processing the image if you aren't. That's why people shoot RAW and make those decisions.

You might try starting a SOOC JPEG thread or something. That's the closest you will get to "unprocessed" image, because by "unprocessed", you seem to be implying any image free of ANY global and local changes in LR/PS.
 
Well my dad always used to say if you ever need to take a simple straightforward process and turn it into something ridiculous and unworkable all you need is a committee.

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hey now. it would be handy imo. Those from the film era would probably love it. Those that never quite learned to use a camera and rely heavily on post processing probably not so much, but they could use it to better their shooting (and the newbies and everyone really).
post processing does cover a lot of sin sometimes. which isn't beneficial in learning to shoot.

Not that I disagree in principle but I think folks are going to get better feedback and help if they post in a forum specific to the subject matter.

I've got a lot more advice to offer folks taking zoo or wildlife type pics than I do for say someone taking landscapes.

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Hey, you never give me advice on my wildlife/zoo pic!
 
hey now. it would be handy imo. Those from the film era would probably love it. Those that never quite learned to use a camera and rely heavily on post processing probably not so much, but they could use it to better their shooting (and the newbies and everyone really).
post processing does cover a lot of sin sometimes. which isn't beneficial in learning to shoot.

Not that I disagree in principle but I think folks are going to get better feedback and help if they post in a forum specific to the subject matter.

I've got a lot more advice to offer folks taking zoo or wildlife type pics than I do for say someone taking landscapes.

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Hey, you never give me advice on my wildlife/zoo pic!

Well I was speaking in general since I don't normally give CnC myself. I do sometimes offer some general technical advice from my own limited experience but usually only if a question of some sort is actually asked first.

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Really what you need to ask for here is that your new section to contain only images where the camera did the processing and conversion to jpg. Not all cameras process and convert the same. Process perameters are very adjustable in high end cameras.

as has been said already....THERE'S NO SUCH THING!
 
Not that I disagree in principle but I think folks are going to get better feedback and help if they post in a forum specific to the subject matter.

I've got a lot more advice to offer folks taking zoo or wildlife type pics than I do for say someone taking landscapes.

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Hey, you never give me advice on my wildlife/zoo pic!

Well I was speaking in general since I don't normally give CnC myself. I do sometimes offer some general technical advice from my own limited experience but usually only if a question of some sort is actually asked first.

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And he is a grumpy gorilla (see avatar) except during full moons and mornings after he has stayed in a Holiday Inn. ;)
 
How about we post the image files in binary?

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Hey, you never give me advice on my wildlife/zoo pic!

Well I was speaking in general since I don't normally give CnC myself. I do sometimes offer some general technical advice from my own limited experience but usually only if a question of some sort is actually asked first.

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And he is a grumpy gorilla (see avatar) except during full moons and mornings after he has stayed in a Holiday Inn. ;)

Liquid. Nose. Hate you.
 
How about we post the image files in binary?

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Wow, I like how you've achieve such a narrow DOF!
 
Really what you need to ask for here is that your new section to contain only images where the camera did the processing and conversion to jpg. Not all cameras process and convert the same. Process perameters are very adjustable in high end cameras.

as has been said already....THERE'S NO SUCH THING!
excellent point. I didn't think of data transfer and higher end cameras. probably because I don't have one. unless you are talking about in camera quick adjust like processing. on that type of thing, well it wouldn't do anyone any good to do extra in camera processing as it would only be detrimental to them getting better at shooting.
doesn't appear this will happen anyway.
moving along now...
 
hey now. it would be handy imo. Those from the film era would probably love it. Those that never quite learned to use a camera and rely heavily on post processing probably not so much, but they could use it to better their shooting (and the newbies and everyone really).
post processing does cover a lot of sin sometimes. which isn't beneficial in learning to shoot.

Not that I disagree in principle but I think folks are going to get better feedback and help if they post in a forum specific to the subject matter.

I've got a lot more advice to offer folks taking zoo or wildlife type pics than I do for say someone taking landscapes.

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true. suppose im just encouraging the traditional learning format and fundamentals before the pp learning. Everyone really should be made to start off in film and work up to digital. LOL As I think people that get involved in pp to fast or rely on it heavy never quite get the fundamentals and in camera down but use pp for a crutch.

First, there was a lot of post done in the film era. The terms "airbrushed", and "retouched" didn't suddenly evolve in the digital era ;) .The tools (and blending modes) in Ps derive their names from their analog counterparts. Right now the big hullabaloo is about too much Ps. When I was a kid it was about too much "retouching", and all the "airbrushed" models. Things really haven't changed.

As far as people starting with film. Ugh. That would severely slow down the learning process. With digital you have instant feedback. If you take a shot and it doesn't come out right, you know right away. You can analyze the situation, determine what went wrong, and try again. Immediately, not a week later. Assuming you kept a log of course. As far as people getting really good at post processing before they learn the fundamentals of photography; outside of retouchers and illustrators, that's actually pretty rare. The ability to throw a bunch of filters at a picture doesn't indicate someone is good at post processing. 100 people on Facebook going "ooh, how pretty" doesn't mean anything either. Those people who have put in the time and effort to learn can usually tell when someone is just throwing things at an image to see what sticks vs people who have a developed skill and style. Processing and shooting go hand in hand. As you get better at both your shooting process changes. You'll spend less time shooting in a reactionary manner, and more time preconceiving shots. As your post processing workflow advances you'll learn to shoot with your post processing in mind. You'll be able to see a finished image that may not look anything like the scene in front of you, and you'll be able to shoot it in a way to best accommodate your workflow.

Either way however, it's pretty hard to hide a turd. Beyond that of course I have to ask, what does it matter to you? If someone is better at processing than shooting what does that matter to you? It in no way effects the kind of critique your images will receive. If you post an image for critique it will be taken on it's own, not analyzed as a comparison to someone else work. According to the Colonoscopic Statistical Recovery Bureau, 99.9% of all people with cameras are hobbyists, meaning that it's very likely the people posting and critiquing are in it for personal enjoyment, not competition. So don't worry about the other guy, worry about yourself.
 
Here. I have over 5,000 photos on-line, quite a few from the early- to mid-2000's with captions talking about gearhead stuff like the f/stop used, focusing choices, and why,and so on. Kind of like "shooting color slides" but with a digital SLR. No masking, no vignetting, no dodging, no layer masks, nothing except "straight" global changes, if even that. Most of the stuff shot before spring of 2012 has almost no post-processing done to it. Derrel's Photo Galleries at pbase.com

THere is doing "photography" with a d-slr. And there is "digital imaging". Not digital "photography", but "digital imaging".

What you seem to be interested in improving is your skill at is PHOTOGRAPHY technique. Not digital imaging, which is in many cases, turd polishing exercise.
 

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