It can not be that complicated.

[perryfletcher]

This look's like a technique David Hill uses on his photos. If you do a ggogle search on him there is a bunch of people that are trying to figure out how does it. He claims it is all in the lighting, no PS no Lucid Art. I don't know if I believe that but you might want to look at his photos.

I have already done that and I do not believe it I just about have his look and yes lighting matters but believe it or not there is a differences in his work and Alvarados process I think. But thank you for the suggestion

 

[Bifurcator]

Okay, hold the phone. I just downloaded Portraiture and it works great. I have perfect smooth skin on my photo now. All I need to be able to do is to give it that pale look on the skin and bright glowing look on the eyes, lips, and hair (I kind of like it the way he does it, call me cheap) and tattoos if any. I am getting closer.

If you're satisfied with that as a near finished result then awesome! Except for the hair I usually am. Portraiture will supposedly do the "white face" thing too with the Tone Mask controls in conjunction with the Enhancement sliders. I haven't gotten that far myself yet. I've done the glowing eyes with it tho. That's the tone masker too. Watch that tutorial video I linked to - it has both in there.

 

[perryfletcher]

okay here is what I have done so far.

Here is what I did. I took my original and duplicated it then I ran lucis art on sculpture with 50% opacity and a setting of 0 then I duplicated that layer and ran Portraiture with smoothness heave and set to tones. I then blurred the picture more with the smudge tool. It is still not what I am looking for though. A mater of fact it is not even close. It just has an airbrushlook kind of.

 

[Alpha]

Screw Lucis.

Look, do the following:
1) Find model(s)
2) Find makeup artist and hair stylist
3) Learn to use strobes well

His post-processing is pretty minimal except for the skin touchup and some general adjustments.


I would highly recommend PM'ing him on ModelMayhem.

 

[perryfletcher]

Screw Lucis.

Look, do the following:
1) Find model(s)
2) Find makeup artist and hair stylist
3) Learn to use strobes well

His post-processing is pretty minimal except for the skin touchup and some general adjustments.


I would highly recommend PM'ing him on ModelMayhem.

I do not know if you can not read well or just do not understand. I have linked pictures of his before and after shots. I have seen a whole set of shots before his processing is done. It is not the lighting have seen it and it is nothing fancy, Just some cardboard taped to lights in place of barn doors. Well of course you have to have lighting but it is not the contributing cause to the outcome of his pictures Like Dave Hill claims to do. In roberts case the models do not matter most are just friends. I do not wish to bad talk his models specifically but good lord Robert does a great job of making them look beautiful. Now on to the make up artist and hair stylist. The make up is very minimal and he has shot several models without the fancy hairstyles and guess what he gets the same result. And now to the Lucis art. I have used it for a while now and can recognize its charistis. The teeth lips and hair of his models just about all have the lucis art charistic. I can replicate what he does with lucis art so yes he uses it.

If you can find the place where he stores his images on the Internet for sharing you can see the whole photoshop process, lighting setup, and models before processing. I am telling you. I have seen his preprocessing work and it is all done by computer and not by fancy lighting setup, professional models, MUA, and hairstylist.

Oh and by the way if you will also read above you will se that he does not tell anyone how he does his work. I have e-mailed him several times and he is an extreamly nice man but he is not sharing.

 

[Alpha]

Don't get pissy just because you're frustrated.

1) I never said his models were phenomenal. I simply said that he had models.

2) Even if he doesn't use much makeup on his models, that doesn't mean you shouldn't. It only makes the retouching easier. In fact, if he doesn't, he's spending a lot of unnecessary time in post.

3) Learn how to retouch. I said he touched up the skin and did some general adjustments. I haven't changed my tune after looking through his port.

4) So what if the lighting isn't "fancy?" Do you know how to do it?

5) You have Lucis tunnel vision because you haven't done any real processing on your own. There isn't a single thing about those photos that rings of Lucis. You're sorely mistaken.

If you stop acting like a twit then perhaps someone who does know how to replicate that look will teach you how to do it. Or you can continue with your home brew Lucis crap, denying the advice of anyone but your idol himself, and spend the rest of your days wondering why the shots aren't turning out like you want.

 

[perryfletcher]

Don't get pissy just because you're frustrated.

1) I never said his models were phenomenal. I simply said that he had models.

2) Even if he doesn't use much makeup on his models, that doesn't mean you shouldn't. It only makes the retouching easier. In fact, if he doesn't, he's spending a lot of unnecessary time in post.

3) Learn how to retouch. I said he touched up the skin and did some general adjustments. I haven't changed my tune after looking through his port.

4) So what if the lighting isn't "fancy?" Do you know how to do it?

5) You have Lucis tunnel vision because you haven't done any real processing on your own. There isn't a single thing about those photos that rings of Lucis. You're sorely mistaken.

If you stop acting like a twit then perhaps someone who does know how to replicate that look will teach you how to do it. Or you can continue with your home brew Lucis crap, denying the advice of anyone but your idol himself, and spend the rest of your days wondering why the shots aren't turning out like you want.

I took you as being a smart A$$. Well still do, but truce.

 

[Alpha]

Truce my ass.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you jerk.

+1 to the ignore list!

 

[perryfletcher]

Truce my ass.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you jerk.

+1 to the ignore list!

Well good day to you to. You did not help anyway.

 

[PortraitMan]

That looks pretty dang good!

A ripple rather than a splash - (Quote from my early photo instructor)

 

[perryfletcher]

That looks pretty dang good!

A ripple rather than a splash - (Quote from my early photo instructor)

Well thank you. Now that I set back and look at it. I personal think it is awful I smudged a wee bit to much but it is a stepping stone.

 

[King Mango]

If you look at his profile on http://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=15033 and scroll down he has 2 pictures. 1 in a paint room and one of a bilbord in a city which makes me think he uses some other type of program to get these looks other than photoshop.

those are photos placed into vector art backgrounds.
As for the effect, if it took him a year of trial-and-error, I'm not even going to hazard a guess.

But if I did have to guess I would say it looks like several steps for each photo. Hair/Skin/Clothes are all treated wtih different techniques so masking will be your first challenge. It also looks like he sometimes includes lipstick or heavy makeup in the clothes processing.
And tbh, some of it just looks like bad airbrushing like you sometimes see when there is absolutely no detail left in a models face. Which is not to insult his skills. I'm sure that's the look he's after, I'm just making the comparison to say... the recent shot of Carmen Electra on the cover of cosmo. In that case it's supposed to be serious and realistic where in his case it's perfectly acceptable because it is part of a stylized image.

As far as the clothes... It wouldn't surprise me if he used poser to render the clothes.

 

[perryfletcher]

those are photos placed into vector art backgrounds.
As for the effect, if it took him a year of trial-and-error, I'm not even going to hazard a guess.

But if I did have to guess I would say it looks like several steps for each photo. Hair/Skin/Clothes are all treated wtih different techniques so masking will be your first challenge. It also looks like he sometimes includes lipstick or heavy makeup in the clothes processing.
And tbh, some of it just looks like bad airbrushing like you sometimes see when there is absolutely no detail left in a models face. Which is not to insult his skills. I'm sure that's the look he's after, I'm just making the comparison to say... the recent shot of Carmen Electra on the cover of cosmo. In that case it's supposed to be serious and realistic where in his case it's perfectly acceptable because it is part of a stylized image.

As far as the clothes... It wouldn't surprise me if he used poser to render the clothes.

believe it or no that cheap airbrushing is what I am after. Gosh it is realy hard to get if you do not have a clue how to do it. I can get the skin smoothed without a flaw but it still has too many details. Some how his stuff is without detail yet it still has some definition. Bu the hardest part for me has been how in the world he gets the hair to pop out like that. It is shiney smooth and not blured all over the place.
Oh I can do the clothes to that is not a problem.

 

[perryfletcher]

Smooth skin no problem
bright eyes no proble
bright lip stick no problem.
bright clothes no problem
Geting the skin to look airbrused and getting the hair to pop out like that is where the problem lies with me.

 

[perryfletcher]

Here is where I am at in the process.
Skin may be alittle overdone and image is to dark and the hair does not pop out. I have not done the eyes or lips yet but its no problem.