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Not a work of art but when working on this picture the amount of flexibility I get just blows my mind.

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Today modern cameras has so much power over cameras only few years old.

Thank you Sony for your amazing sensors :)
 
"We always see these images like these 3 guys in shadow on the boat trotted out as places we want tons and tons of DR.
I still say you lift the shadows on that shot with a Sony sensor and you still have a bad picture. I've seen very few of these that look good after lifting."

-bboule
 
"We always see these images like these 3 guys in shadow on the boat trotted out as places we want tons and tons of DR.
I still say you lift the shadows on that shot with a Sony sensor and you still have a bad picture. I've seen very few of these that look good after lifting."

-bboule
This picture is not a good example for a picture I would keep, its just an exercise in the potential of Sony sensors.
Its like an engine you can rev to 9K RPM, it doesn't mean you want to rev it that high all the time but its nice to know its there is you want or need it to :)
 
I personally think that this is amazing. Especially sense with enough post processing you could lighten the foreground and darken the background for the best of both worlds.
 
Sure, it may not end up being the best photo you've ever take, but if it's a vacation photo or an event photo or anything where a reshoot is not possible, then having the ability to save the shot allows you to preserve the memory nonetheless.
 
Why not get it right first time ? Todays cameras are making people very lazy
 
gsgary said:
Why not get it right first time ? Todays cameras are making people very lazy

You are demonstrating a view that typifies a lack of familiarity with new ways of metering and exposing and processing RAW images. When using NEW cameras that have previously unimagined shadow recovery capabilities,and with the "new Adobe" software that can automatically mask and differentiate dark areas from highlights, it is now child's play to "lift" and recover shadow areas without leaving halos, while keeping the highlights natural looking--without the need to create masks for those dark areas! And THAT is an accomplishment that it took Adobe 25-plus years to achieve.

It's no longer the year 2000.

Under and Overexposure - A Beginner s Guide

Creative underexposure with Nikon DSLR camera Nikon Rumors

Nikon D800E review v.s Hasselblad H4D40 review the end of medium format superiority
 
gsgary said:
Why not get it right first time ? Todays cameras are making people very lazy

You are demonstrating a view that typifies a lack of familiarity with new ways of metering and exposing and processing RAW images. When using NEW cameras that have previously unimagined shadow recovery capabilities,and with the "new Adobe" software that can automatically mask and differentiate dark areas from highlights, it is now child's play to "lift" and recover shadow areas without leaving halos, while keeping the highlights natural looking--without the need to create masks for those dark areas! And THAT is an accomplishment that it took Adobe 25-plus years to achieve.

It's no longer the year 2000.

Under and Overexposure - A Beginner s Guide

Creative underexposure with Nikon DSLR camera Nikon Rumors

Nikon D800E review v.s Hasselblad H4D40 review the end of medium format superiority

Dani Diamon seems to be doing quite well with this method. The end result is what matters. How an artist gets there is their own accord.

Dani Diamond NYC Fashion Commercial Photogapher
 
gsgary said:
Why not get it right first time ? Todays cameras are making people very lazy

You are demonstrating a view that typifies a lack of familiarity with new ways of metering and exposing and processing RAW images. When using NEW cameras that have previously unimagined shadow recovery capabilities,and with the "new Adobe" software that can automatically mask and differentiate dark areas from highlights, it is now child's play to "lift" and recover shadow areas without leaving halos, while keeping the highlights natural looking--without the need to create masks for those dark areas! And THAT is an accomplishment that it took Adobe 25-plus years to achieve.

It's no longer the year 2000.

Under and Overexposure - A Beginner s Guide

Creative underexposure with Nikon DSLR camera Nikon Rumors

Nikon D800E review v.s Hasselblad H4D40 review the end of medium format superiority
I have the camera that will do that but I only use it 2% of the time its easier to print a good negative than one where you think **** I'll get over it when I get home
 
gsgary said:
Why not get it right first time ? Todays cameras are making people very lazy

You are demonstrating a view that typifies a lack of familiarity with new ways of metering and exposing and processing RAW images. When using NEW cameras that have previously unimagined shadow recovery capabilities,and with the "new Adobe" software that can automatically mask and differentiate dark areas from highlights, it is now child's play to "lift" and recover shadow areas without leaving halos, while keeping the highlights natural looking--without the need to create masks for those dark areas! And THAT is an accomplishment that it took Adobe 25-plus years to achieve.

It's no longer the year 2000.

Under and Overexposure - A Beginner s Guide

Creative underexposure with Nikon DSLR camera Nikon Rumors

Nikon D800E review v.s Hasselblad H4D40 review the end of medium format superiority

Dani Diamon seems to be doing quite well with this method. The end result is what matters. How an artist gets there is their own accord.

Dani Diamond NYC Fashion Commercial Photogapher
Not my cup of tea I hate plastic faces
 
"We always see these images like these 3 guys in shadow on the boat trotted out as places we want tons and tons of DR.
I still say you lift the shadows on that shot with a Sony sensor and you still have a bad picture. I've seen very few of these that look good after lifting."

-bboule
This picture is not a good example for a picture I would keep, its just an exercise in the potential of Sony sensors.
Its like an engine you can rev to 9K RPM, it doesn't mean you want to rev it that high all the time but its nice to know its there is you want or need it to :)

Neither was the shot that quote is from, but it was in a thread about the new Canon 5DS where they were taking new sample RAW shots and trying to recover them.

The OP took a pretty decently exposed shot and showed the recovering "ability" of the sensor by adding EV to the shot and showing an area of about 2% of the frame and how "low noise" and "detailed" it was. I suggested they use a different image, VERY similar to yours, which is a shot that happens to a lot of us from time to time when we can't learn to use a meter and manually focus perfectly like ggary--a shot where recovery would be beneficial to us feeble users.

Instead of trying it (in a thread about recovery and noise), I was berated with the typical ggary type response.

That this sort of ability--to be able to underexpose something by 3-4-5 stops and then recover it with minimal color losses and noise--is viewed with hate/ignorance/opposition is beyond me.

This means you can meter and expose in an entirely new fashion that should be perfectly acceptable and EMBRACED. You can meter for a sky and let everything else underexpose and then recover the underexposed areas in post. The results are spectacular and almost unbelieveable. Sorry @Bryston3bsst but some "high quality" $4000 cameras simply cant do it like a Sony sensor equipped camera can.

Having this ability doesn't mean shooters are lazy or that they will ignore common sense, but it does mean they have a more powerful tool to do things other aren't able to. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

With that being said, the OP's shot should have only had shadows recovered so the sky was still exposed well. By just adding EV to the entire frame you allowed the sky to blow out, which is essentially like just metering for the subject--and only gives fuel to ggary. Instead, only recover where you need it--giving you, in one frame, and min. effort in post, both the sky and subject-in-shadows good exposure.

Also, a lot of times when you expose for the subject and the background is bright, the brightness wraps around the subject lowering the contrast/color and the image just isn't that great. So you're left with a washed out subject with no defined edge in a sea of white and there's no room to recover anything either way--you have no information to pull out of the whites.
 
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yes no doubt you can do it, but the end result is just not, imho, as good as the Sony sensor can do it:

Part II - Controlled tests

Canon 5D Mark III vs Nikon D800 Dynamisch bereik DIGIFOTO Pro

That blood completely eliminates that horrible banding and RGB color noise that your tend to see when recovering Non-Sony sensor images. I'm not trying to bash Canon, but I have yet to see one of their sensors match what you can do with a Sony one.
 
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So in support of your contention that Sony makes a better sensor than anyone you post a comparison between Canon and Nikon?

I guess I missed that one too.
 

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