Kit lens for weddings

[flea77]

See previous poster about the photos would still suck even if they used the best equipment. The moral of the story is that you can always find people that complain and want their money back. They just need an excuse and in this case they blamed the camera. If they would have used the best they would have had to blame something else - like talent? Apparently the Judge didn't like the talent either.

I wonder if the plaintiff insisted on keeping the "lousy ruined" photos? Hmmmmm?

You mean the previous poster who said the pictures sucked and were taken by a kit lens? That previous poster?

Sure they sucked, sure they would have sucked with pro glass. You know why? Because they were inexperienced enough to think that a kit lens could do a pro job, which means they had no idea what they were doing. Someone with no idea what they are doing will suck with $20,000 worth of equipment. But most people with pro equipment know better, and would do better, otherwise they would not have made enough money to afford the pro equipment in the first place.

Allan

 

[GeorgieGirl]

One does not have to be a pro to afford pro gear.

 

[Light Artisan]

How to shoot a wedding - Lesson 2

 

[vtf]

This thread is more popular than erose.

I'm not diggin the new erose avatar, maybe thats why.

 

[sobolik]

One does not have to be a pro to afford pro gear.

Generally speaking from many years of golf experience, nearly every beginner balks at the goofs who try to peddle them expensive pro level clubs. But every once in a while someone bites thinking it will get them game. Then they realize that sure was an expensive lesson.
I also believe nearly all beginners on photo forums balk at the suggestions to spend fortunes on fast glass. But many are confused.

I don't object to people having expensive photography equipment. I object to people telling beginners who may have had their camera less than a month that they should go out and spend thousands on a fast lens. Or cameras. Of course anyone honestly paying attention knows my stance. Many and I believe you are one completely reword it your own mind to say all kinds of things and then get mad. They invent their own scenario to be mad about.

 

[Light Artisan]

This isn't golf, this is wedding photography. The only person you screw over in golf is yourself, weddings are a liability.

Title of this thread is 'kit lens for weddings', shooting weddings isn't for beginners - period, anything wedding related shouldn't even be in the beginners forum in my opinion.

Second shooter, cousin Larry, etc... sure, but main shooter? Should know better.

 

[OrionsByte]

I object to people telling beginners who may have had their camera less than a month that they should go out and spend thousands on a fast lens. Or cameras.

Beginners who may have had their camera less than a month shouldn't be shooting weddings either.

So, let's toss the whole "beginner" thing out the window, even though I know your whole argument is, "people should stop telling beginners to buy faster glass." Would you agree that an experienced photographer who wants to get in to wedding photography would see better results from higher-end lenses, including ones that are faster? Because that's pretty much what everyone else is arguing, methinks.

 

[flea77]

One does not have to be a pro to afford pro gear.

Which is why I specifically stated "most people with pro equipment know better" and not everyone with pro equipment.

Allan

 

[flea77]

I don't object to people having expensive photography equipment. I object to people telling beginners who may have had their camera less than a month that they should go out and spend thousands on a fast lens. Or cameras. Of course anyone honestly paying attention knows my stance. Many and I believe you are one completely reword it your own mind to say all kinds of things and then get mad. They invent their own scenario to be mad about.

But that is NOT what is happening in this thread. This thread was started by someone shooting a wedding for money, and "MAJOR money" so they say. If the bride and groom are spending "MAJOR money", they should be getting professional results, from a professional, using professional equipment, period.

Now why you choose to bring your rant into this thread which is not about beginners, or people wanting better pictures of their dog, or better pictures of their family, is beyond me.

Allan

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

It's how he rolls!

Troublemaker.

 

[vtf]

This thread is more popular than erose.

I'm not diggin the new erose avatar, maybe thats why.

Yeah, I'm over it, but to punish myself, I told myself I'm not allowed to change it until I have taken a new, half-decent, self-portrait... and I haven't gotten around to it yet. :lmao:

It's the only reason that picture is still my Facebook profile picture. That, and the fact that every time a family member makes a big deal over it, it makes me want to keep it up longer because I'm a rebellious brat like that.

We'll accept a crappy shot boudoir Im sure.

 

[GeorgieGirl]

One does not have to be a pro to afford pro gear.

Generally speaking from many years of golf experience, nearly every beginner balks at the goofs who try to peddle them expensive pro level clubs. But every once in a while someone bites thinking it will get them game. Then they realize that sure was an expensive lesson.
I also believe nearly all beginners on photo forums balk at the suggestions to spend fortunes on fast glass. But many are confused.

I don't object to people having expensive photography equipment. I object to people telling beginners who may have had their camera less than a month that they should go out and spend thousands on a fast lens. Or cameras. Of course anyone honestly paying attention knows my stance. Many and I believe you are one completely reword it your own mind to say all kinds of things and then get mad. They invent their own scenario to be mad about.

Mad, me? No, not at all. Lets just put it this way. I am a Gourmet. I think that if anyone wants to improve their passion for preparations and cooking they would be better off if they used Shun knives as their tools of the trade.

I don't expect that anyone starting out can afford a set of these high end knives, but once they can get them in their hands and use them, its a different story. Similarly, I think a specific use tomato knife, which does not cost a lot at all, does an exceptional job and much better than any all purpose knife that might cost more even though its a more generic knife.

As for golf, I do think, from my own experience that some of the better clubs will give even the beginner the edge due to the way they handle the impact of the ball. I know when I switched from wood drivers to metal drivers the imrpovement in my abiilities to drive well was obvious.

 

[Robin Usagani]

Im going to let Phil Mickelson use my $99 sport authority golf set. He will kill any of you with your PING set.

 

[sobolik]

I object to people telling beginners who may have had their camera less than a month that they should go out and spend thousands on a fast lens. Or cameras.

Beginners who may have had their camera less than a month shouldn't be shooting weddings either.

So, let's toss the whole "beginner" thing out the window, even though I know your whole argument is, "people should stop telling beginners to buy faster glass." Would you agree that an experienced photographer who wants to get in to wedding photography would see better results from higher-end lenses, including ones that are faster? Because that's pretty much what everyone else is arguing, methinks.

There is no question to buy and use the best you can afford. However your other premise is wrong.

"Beginners who may have had their camera less than a month shouldn't be shooting weddings either."

Many people call upon "photographer" relatives and friends to do them a favor. They may even pay them a substantial amount of money to do it. It is not your place nor mine to proclaim them as unqualified and have no business doing it. Relatively lousy photos in my eyes may be treasured keep sakes in theirs because Uncle Bill took them. It happens all the time. Goofy bedspreads are treated like gold because some old lady in the family made it. She must have been given to strong drink seeing how warped and crooked it is. But it is not my place to put a value on it.

There is nothing wrong with warning newbies about the pit falls but a good scolding for being unqualified is not why they come to a beginners forum.

 

[sobolik]

Im going to let Phil Mickelson use my $99 sport authority golf set. He will kill any of you with your PING set.

Phil could use a - right hand - set and kill us.