Thanks all for the comments. JonMikal, no I didn't touch the contrast at all, I used a plugin for photoshop to do the conversion, wanted to see what result it came up with. I have not tried much B/W, being of the older generation it always seemed to be kind of old fashioned, but having seen some of yours and others on the forum, my mind is changing some, though I must admit, I see a lot of pictures done in B/W that do not suit. I had thought that it was two grey looking hence my posting them here. Ernie