Low light sports question

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  1. astroNikon

    astroNikon 'ya all Bananas I tell 'ya Supporting Member

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    The problem is ... there shouldn't be "more" or "less" usuable shots due to f/2.8 vs f/4.
    Unless your are not focusing on the subject you are taking an image of, or you require a greater DOF to get more subjects in the image.

    So questions if no image with EXIF
    - Which AutoFocus mode are you using. Page 121.

    - in your custom menu, what is A1 and A2 set to - Release/Focus ?

    - What AF Area mode are you using. Page 123 - 126 (good diagram on 126) . This can have a dramatic effect on what's "in focus" and what's "out of focus" at f/2.8

    - Which Metering Mode are you using. Check your Metering. Pg 139 in the manual

    - can you confirm in image preview that your focus point is on the subject that is out of focus ?


     
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  2. mk04447

    mk04447 TPF Noob!

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    I will look for a couple examples. I also think I'm describing the problem wrong. At the start of a play, you have to zoom way out to see which direction the play is going. If it's a run, you zoom in and you can stay with the subject most of the time. If it's a pass, you've got a problem, you've got to lower the camera and get on the right subject with the ball in the air. I'm using 9 point continuous AF one space up from center for head focus. Sometimes the camera will latch onto a shoulder or a hand and the head will be in a different plane, out of focus at 2.8. F 4 is more forgiving, even if you tag the shoulder for AF, the rest of the subject is usually pretty much in focus due to the DOF. I'll try to find a few at tonight's game.
     
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  3. Scoody

    Scoody No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    High school football is my bread and butter this time of year. I usually shoot at F4 with my ISO at 400 when the game starts and the sun hasn't set yet. I usually slow my shutter speed as it gets darker and finally push my ISO up to 800. This is all I do so I can attend practices. I played football all the way through college. I was not the superstar stud in college that I was in high school so I had a lot of time on the bench to really study the game. I know the formations the school I cover uses. I know who the QB is going go to in situations. Many times on the sideline standing next to another photographer I will go, "He is going to go to number 87 on a crossing route." They are awed that I call it almost every time. This helps because I don't have to chase the play. I just frame where it is going to happen. IMG_6818a.jpg
     
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  4. astroNikon

    astroNikon 'ya all Bananas I tell 'ya Supporting Member

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    So this is your EXIF
    EDIT: oops, not the OPs photo.

    Artist: Picasa
    Camera: Canon EOS 650D
    Lens: Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6
    Shot at 200 mm (shot wide open)
    Exposure: Manual exposure, 1/256 sec, f/5, ISO 800
    Flash: Off, Did not fire
    Focus: One-shot AF, with a depth of field of from 0 m to infinity.
    AF Area Mode: Single-point AF
    Date: September 9, 2016 3:40:23AM (timezone not specified)
    (1 year, 11 months, 21 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes, 42 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of 6 hours behind GMT)
    Time Zone Offset: Chicago
     
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    I regularly shoot HS night football at night under lights.
    I use a 18-140 or a 70-200/4 on a DX body.

    How zoomed in are you if you are getting a focus difference between f/2.8 and 4?
    If I had a f/2.8 lens, I would shoot it wide open at f/2.8.

    Are you tracking focus on the players or snap shooting?
    If you are snap shooting, you may not be giving the AF enough time to focus on the subject, before the shutter fires. Not all AF perform at the high AF speeds for sport.

    I find it very hard to track the HEAD of a running player, it is too small.
    It is much easier to simply focus on the larger chest.

    Don't zoom out, keep a medium zoom on the QB and learn to track him.
    If you can't track him, then you need more practice tracking.
    I find it hard to track when zoomed in tight. My eye needs space around the subject to track.
    And as Scoody said, it really helps to know the game, so that you can predict what play will be run.

    If you shoot with your right eye, use your left eye to watch the action and track the pass.

    I put the camera up before the center has the ball and do not lower it until the play ends, or the play has gone too far from me.

    If you are getting spots of over exposure, without seeing a pix, you are probably getting reflections from the lights, off the helmet or shiny uniforms.
    You either accept the blown highlights or lower your exposure.

    If you are shooting in Manual, why -0.3 EC?

    What do you mean by "LR can't seem to dehaze enough."
    Do you have a lot of particulants/smog/fog in the air?
     
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    I keep shooting way after the play and some of my best shots have been a receiver celebrating a touchdown, a defensive back embarrassed at getting burned, high fives. I won an award for a photo of a wide receiver running off the field to hand the football to his twin brother on the sideline It was the final game of the season with less than a minute left and the last TD the receiver (a senior) would ever score. The brother was in a wheelchair, healing from a car wreck that left him paralyzed. He had been a star player and really was not recovered enough to be let out of the hospital but hoops were jumped through for him to be there to watch his brother's last game. I managed to get a very good emotional shot. As a result I now have "Award Winning Photographer" on all my literature.
     
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    It would help you to learn to keep both eyes open so you can see the developing action. Also helps to keep you from getting run down by a rampaging linebacker.
     
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