mulitple cams remotely triggered / wedding?

[elsaspet]

I also appreciate your input Cindy. Perhaps you could give us a brief synopsis of what went on in your area with the weekender in the news? mike

Hi Milke,
Bascially he took all the money ($4500+) and left them with nothing. He was a very very talented photog.

 

[Big Mike]

You will never be able to help everyone, no matter how big your heart is or how hard you try. All you can do is put your knowledge/experience out there...and let people take from it, if they will. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Don't worry about what other people learn or don't learn from you...Life is too short. You are trying to help and that's what matters.

If someone gets sued...then that is a lesson learned for them. We won't come back to you and say that you should have warned them.

 

[elsaspet]

Hi Mike,
I'm just trying to save them from themslves. Ingore me. Sometimes it works, and sometimes they have to call us to help. Let's hope it's not the latter.

 

[elsaspet]

I also appreciate your input Cindy. Perhaps you could give us a brief synopsis of what went on in your area with the weekender in the news? mike

It's a totally sad story. This guy was totally great, but bit off more than he could chew. His normal deal was in h e$4000 range, but he never delivered books or anything. Keep in mind, this is one of the most talented photogs I've ever seen.

Sad story is that he got addicted to drugs. Just hung it all up. But that happens everyday with the wannabes. Only that doesn't make the news.

We've all come on board to process all the wedding he did'nt. Just another job we all had to come on, and save, because someone didn't have their crap togerher. He dicided the post was to hard..........so we all had to do it for him, and I can tell you it was no fun.

 

[EOS_JD]

I'm not trying to be holier than thou. I'm just trying to stop this poster and his EOS buddy from slashing their own throats.

Cindy
It was more your tone that really got me down. I realise (more from reading your latest posts) you are very passionate about what you do. So am I. I suppose I may come across cheeky and arrogant too at times when it's not really meant.

One thing that really annoyed me was the above. It should be noted I'm no-one's "buddy". Because I share the same thought of capturing a special unique moment of a day does am I "downclassing business"? If it doesn't work I say nothing lost and why would I be cutting my throat?

In Scotland where I live it is rare that a wedding photographer gets to stand on the alter in front of a couple. In certain places like registry offices some allow you to be at the front some don't. Many churches do not have areas where the photographer can get in front of the couple and being advised by the priest or minister that you have to stay at the back and refrain from using flash is a pain as I'm sure you'll be aware of. Even being close to the front is sometimes not enough.

I too have tried the sweet talking but perhaps that's best left for a pretty girl I've never had any real problems in any of the weddings I've shot. Sure we panic when things don't go to plan and you've very little time to capture the formals but we deal with that.

If it's been tried with no success as you say then that makes me less interested in doing it. I perhaps would have had more respect for your views at the start if you hadn't gone off on such a wild tangent.

Also perhaps I didn't make my experience known and you think I'm a first timer too...... That's not the case. I've been shooting weddings for about 18 months now. It is not my main job (I would not make the same money from photography as I do at my main job - supp;ose that makes me a weekend warrior) but I would like to be able to keep learning (as we all do constantly) and I love shooting weddings and have had much success and that's why I get business. Perhaps one day I may decide to do it full time. I'm happy supplenmenting my salary for now. I also have a bag of fantastic fast glass and equipment that makes shooting weddings a lot easier - I might not use the 24-105 for a full wedding but it's with me when shooting formals and I love it!

It downclasses the business, because I can't tell you the amount of horror stories I've heard from clients and priests. A story about a local wedding photographer made the nightly news recently, and it messed up ALL of the wedding photogs in the area. You will never see the newscast about the happy bride, but get one "wakes up one morning and wants to be a wedding photog" person out there, and it's a weeks worth of news. No kidding.

I don't think I've ever heard anything like this in the UK. If people decide they want a cheap job, that's what they'll generally get and it's their fault. If I thought I could not achieve something, I'd politely decline and recommend another. My friend who assistes for me is a portrait photographer and he's a great guy to have arouns. I advise all my clients of my level of experience and also show them images I have in my portfolio and advise of prices up front. It's the images and trust that win me my business.

You mentioned EGO and I do think that's how you came across but having read you last few posts from earlier I see what you were trying to say.

Lets say we have differing views although I do see what you are saying. I'm not saying this is the way forward or anything but for something different and the poportunity is there to have a spare camera I think it may proivide some nice moments.

Even though I'm not the OP, I really appreciate the points you and others have made.

Best regards
Jim

 

[EOS_JD]

Cindy just read the rest of your posts! Calm down and believe we're all after the same thing. Different ideas get thrown in you give a polite but opinionated answer and people listen and learn

I don't want you getting upset over nothing. We all live and learn through our mistakes. All you can do is give advice as I do to peolpe who are starting out and want to shoot a wedding with 1 camera and a couple of f5.6 lenses and the on-board flash!! I'll be cheecky to waken them up first that wedding photography is a specialised area for those with knowledge of what they are doing and the right equipment.

Lets be friends.... we all don't have to agree on everything and that's what makes the world what it is :hug::

 

[dewey]

Jeez everyone should relax a bit... elsaspet just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not listening. You're saying something can't be done, when that's just not true. It can be done. It works.

A camera on a remote release isn't going to replace anyone... it's a fairly specialized thing and that's what this post was about.

We all contributed some ideas and that's that. There is no reason to get upset because I disagree with you.

 

[dewey]

I'm giving you first hand opinions, not from someone who saw a wedding onetime, but one who has shot one 43 times last year, and from one who has already shot 20 this year.
This isn't a popularity contest. These weekend warriors can hate me with their full heart, but believe it or not, I'm trying to help them, like so many helped me before.

I'm sorry I tried to leave this be, but you're WAY out of line. I only shot 21 weddings last year, so I guess you're correct and I'm wrong? My experiences are just as valid as yours even if I shoot 1/2 as many weddings as you do.

Weekend warrior... lmao... get a grip lady. You can't make statements like this and then complain when people think you're full of yourself.

I was just sharing my experiences with remote camera releases during weddings, which you would never know was the point of this thread.

 

[Big Mike]

Please, lets all play nice and keep things civil.

 

[THORHAMMER]

Seriously guys, lets chill...

Elsa has tons of expirience and she knows what shes talking about, but if you really want to try it, make sure you dont miss the normal shots... just dont make us all look bad is all we are trying to ask........ to some of us its super serious and image is everything ...

Im sure on the other hand you want to try something that hasnt been done before... thats really cool, just dont make it the focal point of your wedding and im sure youll be OK. Im sure technically you could pull it off, but is the juice worth the squeeze...?

I am just trying to step in and clarify so nobody gets feelings hurt thats all.
especially from misunderstandings...

Elsa, dont you think of leaving, well hunt you down...

lol just kidding...

im talk from experience with people, not because im a wedding master.... Just chill, one frame of mind likes to do things that havent been done before, thats awsome , without that we wouldnt even have new inventions... the other is more the tried and true method, we need both for our society to work !!! be happy and work together if possible !!! you can both learn something from each other... and I can learn form BOTH of you...

 

[EOS_JD]

Seriously guys, lets chill...

Elsa has tons of expirience and she knows what shes talking about, but if you really want to try it, make sure you dont miss the normal shots... just dont make us all look bad is all we are trying to ask........ to some of us its super serious and image is everything ...

Im sure on the other hand you want to try something that hasnt been done before... thats really cool, just dont make it the focal point of your wedding and im sure youll be OK. Im sure technically you could pull it off, but is the juice worth the squeeze...?

I am just trying to step in and clarify so nobody gets feelings hurt thats all.
especially from misunderstandings...

Elsa, dont you think of leaving, well hunt you down...

lol just kidding...

im talk from experience with people, not because im a wedding master.... Just chill, one frame of mind likes to do things that havent been done before, thats awsome , without that we wouldnt even have new inventions... the other is more the tried and true method, we need both for our society to work !!! be happy and work together if possible !!! you can both learn something from each other... and I can learn form BOTH of you...

Well said.......... :thumbup:

 

[andrew todd]

wow.. sorry to mess you guys all up. just wanted to clear up some stuff.. and say goodbye to this post all together.. yes i knew it was possible.. i was just wondering if anyone did it already.

I didnt ask your opinion as to how i should approach wedding photography. dont respond to me like im an idiot who knows nothing about photography. If you read my first question im telling you that I own pocketwizards.. so no.. i wont be going out and "spending tons of money on ""remote cameras""


reading through your posts im wondering if you fully understand what i was trying to say. i dont know if youre familiar with pocket wizards.. im going to assume that youre not as you mentioned that i was going to spend money on "remote cameras" (though i could be wrong.. just the impression i got)

the biggest problem i have with you is that you seem extremely close minded.

lets create a scenario where i am shooting a wedding by myself. now for make believe sake for some reason this wedding has hired you as well. (i guess they wanted to feel more safe with 2 photogs)

i have no other photographers helping me. i have a few cameras. now this particular church doesnt allow flashes.. so my flashes and pocketwizards are sitting useless in my bag.

thats when i figure.. hey!! why not throw a PW on one of my backup cams and maybe face it towards the parents, the family, a wide shot from the balcony.. a different angle of the bride and groom.. doesnt matter which.. endless possibilities.... so every time i take a picture with my primary camera the second one fires automatically and gives me a second perspective.. whereas your backup camera sits in your bag doing nothing for you. so the wedding takes place.. theres tons of "one time moments" that we both succesfully capture. only when i get home there will also be the possibility of some nice surprising shots sitting on the card of my backup cam from a different perspective. when u go home.. your backup cam has captured nothing but dust.


i guess all im saying is.. dont go on the offensive and try to tell us that using a second camera remotely is going to degrade anything..youre still doing the same job with the primary camera... it doenst add any more work to the shoot, set up.. and dont worry about it until u take it down... if none of the secondary shots end up working for you.. wel.. youve lost absolutely nothing.

and dont try to bring up lawsuits because of someone tripping over a tripod with a camera on it. cuz then ud have to advise every photographer that has a decent off cam lighting setup to leave it at home because of the same tripping hazard.

 

[Big Mike]

OK, that's enough of this thread.

I'm asking all of you to please drop this issue and move on. Any continuation of accusatory or aggressive defensive behavior will result in further action by the moderators.