My pictures doesn't look right

[weags77]

I am getting misunderstood left and right. Thank you everyone for you insight, its best i keep these matters about gear to myself in the future.

I don't believe it's you being misunderstood as much as you not understanding. As was mentioned, you don't know enough to ask the proper questions, therefore when people give you proper answers to the questions you've asked,you are unable to understand them.

And there is a difference in lenses. But again you do not know enough or have a trained eye to notice the difference. I don't either but I can tell you from personal experience that as your knowledge grows you will be able to tell the difference. And it's at that point, and that point only, should you be worried about the gear you are using or going to buy.

 

[robbins.photo]

I am getting misunderstood left and right. Thank you everyone for you insight, its best i keep these matters about gear to myself in the future.

Ok, Hamlet - we'll see if maybe this gets through. The problem here is that you keep wanting to compare apples to oranges and then make statements like "Which orange makes the best apple juice?" Then when we try to explain it doesn't work that way, you ignore us and keep insisting on trying to make apple juice out of oranges.

The truth is all of this obsessing over this lens being better than that lens or this minute detail being more important than that minute detail isn't going to do you a bit of good when it comes to becoming a better photographer. As I've mentioned before and as others have suggested, you need to get out and start using the equipment you have so that you can start figuring out what does work and what doesn't, and when it doesn't work that's when you ask questions to find out why.

This penchant you have for flying off into wild theory land at the drop of a hat doesn't do you a bit of good - as others have pointed out you can't properly phrase the question because you lack the real world experience to do so, and you can't really understand the answers given for the same reason. I don't present myself as an authority on photography mind you, but I do know enough to know that you will never progress from where you are right now until you do yourself a favor, get off the message bases for a while and get out there and actually take some pictures.

 

[hamlet]

I need the patience of Job. I'm getting my own dogma preached back to me and it doesn't seem to sink in to people that my curiosity for the lenses has nothing to do with getting better pictures on my end. my pictures would still be mediocre snapshots even with the best gear out there. There is a clear language barrier, so lets just please drop this, its frustrating to everyone involved and i'm sorry for this. But we already agree, so lets drop this and i'll never bring up gear again.

 

[astroNikon]

If you have a question just ask it. Don't start theorizing.

For instance

Q: Why would someone get a f/2.8 lens versus a f/4.5 lens ?
Basically if someone is after subject isolation from the background the f/2.8 is easier at it.
It is also better in low light because the aperture opening is larger and allows in more light at the same shutter speed.

Q: and you may ask why is that important.?
which is basically with subject isolation you blur out the background and it makes a better photo because the viewer isn't distracted by a busy sharp background.
And with more light coming in you can keep taking usable photos as the day light starts dwindling.

Then take that information and try to use it to your photo's advantage.
The theorizing part with all the major restrictions and disqualifications just isn't productive.


Everyone isn't trying to bash you. They are trying to provide you with the correct answer or help steer you to understand it better.

 

[hamlet]

That's exactly what i'll do. Talking about gear and entertaining ideas are deathtraps on here, its better to find like-minded people who know what i'm talking about and enjoy talking about it simply for the intellectual challenge.

 

[kundalini]

If you have a question just ask it. Don't start theorizing.

For instance

Q: Why would someone get a f/2.8 lens versus a f/4.5 lens ?
Basically if someone is after subject isolation from the background the f/2.8 is easier at it.
It is also better in low light because the aperture opening is larger and allows in more light at the same shutter speed.

Q: and you may ask why is that important.?
which is basically with subject isolation you blur out the background and it makes a better photo because the viewer isn't distracted by a busy sharp background.
And with more light coming in you can keep taking usable photos as the day light starts dwindling.

Then take that information and try to use it to your photo's advantage.
The theorizing part with all the major restrictions and disqualifications just isn't productive.


Everyone isn't trying to bash you. They are trying to provide you with the correct answer or help steer you to understand it better.

Subject isolation can be achieved at variable aperture settings. The factors of distance from camera-to-subject and subject-to-background are more relevant. The reason most people decide to choose an f/2.8 (zoom lens is assumed here) is more for low light capability without the need for a stabilizer (tripod, monopod), higher ISO setting (which introduces digital noise) or without the need for an external flash, among a few reasons. Having penis envy is another.

When dishing out information, make sure to check your sources more thoroughly.

 

[robbins.photo]

That's exactly what i'll do. Talking about gear and entertaining ideas are deathtraps on here, its better to find like-minded people who know what i'm talking about and enjoy talking about it simply for the intellectual challenge.

So what you need is a group of people who want to sit around and talk about the extreme minutia of camera equipment who have zero interest in actually wanting to know how any of what they are discussing actually applies to the final image?

Lol.. ok, well.. good luck with that i guess. Nothing quite as tasty as apple juice made from fresh squeezed oranges.

 

[hamlet]

That's exactly what i'll do. Talking about gear and entertaining ideas are deathtraps on here, its better to find like-minded people who know what i'm talking about and enjoy talking about it simply for the intellectual challenge.

So what you need is a group of people who want to sit around and talk about the extreme minutia of camera equipment who have zero interest in actually wanting to know how any of what they are discussing actually applies to the final image?

Lol.. ok, well.. good luck with that i guess. Nothing quite as tasty as apple juice made from fresh squeezed oranges.

I'm don't even know what to say to this? How would you feel if someone misrepresented your intentions?

 

[manaheim]

Ham... I don't think people are misrepresenting your intentions, but they may be misinterpreting them. There's a pretty significant difference.

Keep in mind that by and large most people here have been trying to help. The end result may have been frustrating for you, but maybe don't last out at them for trying.

Just a thought.

 

[flying_gadget]

From a new person here, google basic photography. Plenty on there I'm sure.

I'm also not sure why this is in the nature and wildlife forum. Like I said I'm new here, but this would be better in one of the question forums ..... IMO.

Danny.

 

[hamlet]

Ham... I don't think people are misrepresenting your intentions, but they may be misinterpreting them. There's a pretty significant difference.

Keep in mind that by and large most people here have been trying to help. The end result may have been frustrating for you, but maybe don't last out at them for trying.

Just a thought.

I know manaheim, I'm sorry. Its just that i cant have a discussion about gear without having to deal with backseat drivers. Constantly pointing out obvious things, questioning how i drive. No matter how well intentioned, but that's how i feel. Its taken me ever ounce of composure not to drive the car into a ditch.

 

[Juga]

When you crop that heavy you will start to lose detail

You have a camera that has about the same megapixel count as i do. How does a similar centre crop look on your image when you shoot with the 24-105?

Sorry Hammy I completely missed this. I can't right now but I will post some examples of heavy crops with my 24-105.

 

[hamlet]

I have solved my problem thanks to the help of you good folks.

Before:



After:

 

[robbins.photo]

Ham... I don't think people are misrepresenting your intentions, but they may be misinterpreting them. There's a pretty significant difference.

Keep in mind that by and large most people here have been trying to help. The end result may have been frustrating for you, but maybe don't last out at them for trying.

Just a thought.

I know manaheim, I'm sorry. Its just that i cant have a discussion about gear without having to deal with backseat drivers. Constantly pointing out obvious things, questioning how i drive. No matter how well intentioned, but that's how i feel. Its taken me ever ounce of composure not to drive the car into a ditch.

Well if you don't really want help, don't ask for it. That should solve that problem quite nicely in the future.

 

[SCraig]

I have solved my problem thanks to the help of you good folks.

MUCH better! Somewhat underexposed but at least you got some good sharpness right on the tip of the leaf. It is certainly a vast improvement over the first try.