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[AlanKlein81 21]

How many other people in Zimbabwe were getting paid off by the guide and farmer for this illegal activity? That's why for the US government to send the dentist back there would be insane. The Zimbabweans would use him as a scapegoat to protect their illegal deals.

 

[EIngerson]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

I forgot that we can only care about, and discuss, one issue at a time. My bad.

I mean, you're worried about a few puny murders in your backyard? Don't you know there's a BILLION DOLLAR SEX TRADE? Children and young adults are sold into sex slavery, sometimes by their own families, and no telling how many are killed after a certain point to keep things hush hush.

People's priorities are all wrong indeed.

Besides, it's not like poaching is a problem or anything.

Actually, your interpretation of my comments is a little off.

My point is, daily we're seeing the list of things I mentioned in the media. Now we're cold to it. A lion being killed in a country 99.99999% of the people upset have never been to or cared about in their life has the world crying. It's comical. If people's hearts bleed that much for things happening in foreign countries read up and get upset about real problems there.

My bad for not being specific with my thoughts. But yeah, sex trade is in our back yards too.

 

[EIngerson]

How many other people in Zimbabwe were getting paid off by the guide and farmer for this illegal activity? That's why for the US government to send the dentist back there would be insane. The Zimbabweans would use him as a scapegoat to protect their illegal deals.

Not many, they don't care. Read up on it.

 

[robbins.photo]

Sorry but the topic, even though it was moved here, is a call to action to have a scumbag extradited. The call to action was not to save the planet.

Which makes me truly wonder if you actually understand where it is you are advocating he be extradited too, and what will likely happen to him once the media spotlight is switched off.

 

[EIngerson]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Check the subject line before you spew stupidity out.

I did read the subject line. So?

 

[rexbobcat]

He pleaded guilty in 2008 for poaching a black bear.

It's all just an emotional circlejerk. This guy is the face of poaching in general, which isn't fair to him, but it gives people the warm and fuzzies because it gives their righteous anger some specificity rather than just "Poachers kill animals illegally!? This is an outrage! Please validate my slacktivism on your Facebook feed."

Oh god. It's not about legal or illegal. The legal part is just a pretext to get this guy shamed and ideally jailed. It's about maiming endangered species (not just lions), skinning them alive, and cutting off their heads to mount in their dens. Notice once more the subject line is for Nature Lovers. If you don't qualify don't pollute this thread. The same people who tolerate the slaughter of African wildlife would go ape **** if there little lap dog or cat came home with an arrow through its head.

Please be careful. Your heart is bleeding all over my black soul. Looks like I'm just gonna dirty this thread up worse than the Olympic stadium in Brazil (context: AP Investigation Olympic teams to swim boat in Rio s filth

In all seriousness, what exactly do you want Americans to do about the killing of animals in Africa other than (apparently) shaming one individual into hiding?

Like I said, this man has become the face of trophy killing. But what about after he fades from the media? After the momentum is gone, people will move onto the next police murder or school shooting, get outraged for a while, and then move onto the next Monsanto meltdown or "What dumb thing did this politician say? You'll never guess!"

It's the essence of social media. It's slacktivism. It's seeing an individual break the law in the same way that many before him have broken the law and paid the price, but this time, paying the legal price is not enough. Off with his head. Literally? Figuratively? Nobody knows, since these social lynchings don't really make much logical sense.

This story is the perfect, shareable, emotional porn.

I think it was an awful thing that he did both from a moral and ethical standpoint. I think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and I'm not saying he should be exempt from the social responsibility that he has for his actions, but I'm also not going to act like me bitching about it for a few days on social media and then throwing a few bucks at a dubiously helpful charity is going to help much to actually stop it from happening.

And I'm certainly not going to go online saying "I think we should put him out in a pasture and let a lion eat him" is in any way a sound, or rational statement, which is a concept many people can not comprehend.

I stop dealing with people whose actions I find distasteful. But I don't set out to ruin their livelihood (unless their actions directly relate to what they do for a living...such as stealing photos or something...). That's some next level vengeance - and irony - that I don't feel comfortable engaging in.

 

[EIngerson]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Then I would add we should not be perplexed on who profits, from hunts in Africa or wars in Iraq.

I guess it kind of baffles me a little, I mean I realize that the folks that are up in arms about this have their hearts in the right place and I really don't fault them for being upset with the dentist.

But when you see 9 year old kids given AK-47's and forced into becoming killers for a local militia, given illegal drugs and forced to take them, etc - well when this is more or less commonplace practice it gets pretty hard to muster any righteous indignation over some bozo killing the wrong lion.

For me the thought of hunting any lion, well, it's repugnant. I'm not "anti-hunting" persee, but I guess I'm of the mind that if it's not something you are going to eat then it shouldn't be something you shoot.

But knowing what goes on over there, well it sort of gives you a much different perspective on the whole debate. Things like Gukurahundi,the Green Bombers, the list just goes on and on.

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off Daily Mail Online

Stuff like this is par for course, and nobody really seems to get to worked up about it. Some dentist shoots a lion.. and bam, international outrage. I mean I get it, I understand why people get worked up over a beautiful critter like that getting put down for no good reason.

But I guess it just amazes me that all of this other stuff has been going on for years and years over there, and nobody really seems to take much notice.

Agree with you 100%. The "international" issue with this is one corrupt(probably wealthy individual) had the smarts to see a capitalist opportunity in going after an American. It's nothing more than a target of opportunity much like shooting a Lion in Zimbabwe.

No one over there cares about this cat. lol. I guarantee if this dentist offered the guy that's raising all this stink $50,000 to take him on another hunt, he'd jump on it. And do what any good hunting guide does…. make the hunt successful!!!!

 

[EIngerson]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Check the subject line before you spew stupidity out.

I did read the subject line. So?

Subject line is for Nature Lovers????? Get it??? That's why I had posted this in the Nature forum, apparently in flagrant disrespect of the all the rules and regulations to make sure we conform.....as if I've never posted photos of nature here....I guess I'm just a spammer.

So your assumption is that "hunters" like myself are not nature lovers?

I think you should get your facts right.

 

[robbins.photo]

His dental practice is ruined, he will pay the price jail or not - you should see the Yelp reviews. Already one airline has banned trophies. There are 1 million people who have signed the petition referenced above. I'm not into social media but I'm a believer now.

Well if the petition is supposed to be to get him extradited, I guess it proves that their are 1 million people who are completely ignorant of just what sort of "justice system" he'll face over in Zimbabwe. If they had a clue I doubt any of them would have signed it.

I have no love for the guy, don't get me wrong. But the sort of "justice" your advocating when you start rallying to have him extradited is not justice, it couldn't really be classified as vengence. Were talking about a government that trains 9 year olds for milita's to kill political opponents, cuts off peoples feet, and honestly that's just the tip of the iceberg. The list of atrocities they commit are nearly endless.

Granted what this guy did was stupid but I wouldn't turn anybody over to a government like they have in Zimbabwe.

I honestly don't think you really understand what it is your advocating here.

 

[robbins.photo]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Then I would add we should not be perplexed on who profits, from hunts in Africa or wars in Iraq.

I guess it kind of baffles me a little, I mean I realize that the folks that are up in arms about this have their hearts in the right place and I really don't fault them for being upset with the dentist.

But when you see 9 year old kids given AK-47's and forced into becoming killers for a local militia, given illegal drugs and forced to take them, etc - well when this is more or less commonplace practice it gets pretty hard to muster any righteous indignation over some bozo killing the wrong lion.

For me the thought of hunting any lion, well, it's repugnant. I'm not "anti-hunting" persee, but I guess I'm of the mind that if it's not something you are going to eat then it shouldn't be something you shoot.

But knowing what goes on over there, well it sort of gives you a much different perspective on the whole debate. Things like Gukurahundi,the Green Bombers, the list just goes on and on.

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off Daily Mail Online

Stuff like this is par for course, and nobody really seems to get to worked up about it. Some dentist shoots a lion.. and bam, international outrage. I mean I get it, I understand why people get worked up over a beautiful critter like that getting put down for no good reason.

But I guess it just amazes me that all of this other stuff has been going on for years and years over there, and nobody really seems to take much notice.

Agree with you 100%. The "international" issue with this is one corrupt(probably wealthy individual) had the smarts to see a capitalist opportunity in going after an American. It's nothing more than a target of opportunity much like shooting a Lion in Zimbabwe.

No one over there cares about this cat. lol. I guarantee if this dentist offered the guy that's raising all this stink $50,000 to take him on another hunt, he'd jump on it. And do what any good hunting guide does…. make the hunt successful!!!!

Having lived over there I can tell you that the "villagers" that the press reported were "crying for justice" had almost certainly eaten the lion shortly after it was shot.

That's just the way it is - Africa is just.. well, it's hard to explain I guess. You just can't believe that stuff like that could happen in the real world, but it does all time over there.

 

[EIngerson]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Then I would add we should not be perplexed on who profits, from hunts in Africa or wars in Iraq.

I guess it kind of baffles me a little, I mean I realize that the folks that are up in arms about this have their hearts in the right place and I really don't fault them for being upset with the dentist.

But when you see 9 year old kids given AK-47's and forced into becoming killers for a local militia, given illegal drugs and forced to take them, etc - well when this is more or less commonplace practice it gets pretty hard to muster any righteous indignation over some bozo killing the wrong lion.

For me the thought of hunting any lion, well, it's repugnant. I'm not "anti-hunting" persee, but I guess I'm of the mind that if it's not something you are going to eat then it shouldn't be something you shoot.

But knowing what goes on over there, well it sort of gives you a much different perspective on the whole debate. Things like Gukurahundi,the Green Bombers, the list just goes on and on.

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off Daily Mail Online

Stuff like this is par for course, and nobody really seems to get to worked up about it. Some dentist shoots a lion.. and bam, international outrage. I mean I get it, I understand why people get worked up over a beautiful critter like that getting put down for no good reason.

But I guess it just amazes me that all of this other stuff has been going on for years and years over there, and nobody really seems to take much notice.

Agree with you 100%. The "international" issue with this is one corrupt(probably wealthy individual) had the smarts to see a capitalist opportunity in going after an American. It's nothing more than a target of opportunity much like shooting a Lion in Zimbabwe.

No one over there cares about this cat. lol. I guarantee if this dentist offered the guy that's raising all this stink $50,000 to take him on another hunt, he'd jump on it. And do what any good hunting guide does…. make the hunt successful!!!!

Having lived over there I can tell you that the "villagers" that the press reported were "crying for justice" had almost certainly eaten the lion shortly after it was shot.

That's just the way it is - Africa is just.. well, it's hard to explain I guess. You just can't believe that stuff like that could happen in the real world, but it does all time over there.

I've been there too and couldn't agree more. African life style and beliefs do not translate well into American hype.

edit: And I hope the people that are ignorant to it never have to understand.

 

[rexbobcat]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Then I would add we should not be perplexed on who profits, from hunts in Africa or wars in Iraq.

I guess it kind of baffles me a little, I mean I realize that the folks that are up in arms about this have their hearts in the right place and I really don't fault them for being upset with the dentist.

But when you see 9 year old kids given AK-47's and forced into becoming killers for a local militia, given illegal drugs and forced to take them, etc - well when this is more or less commonplace practice it gets pretty hard to muster any righteous indignation over some bozo killing the wrong lion.

For me the thought of hunting any lion, well, it's repugnant. I'm not "anti-hunting" persee, but I guess I'm of the mind that if it's not something you are going to eat then it shouldn't be something you shoot.

But knowing what goes on over there, well it sort of gives you a much different perspective on the whole debate. Things like Gukurahundi,the Green Bombers, the list just goes on and on.

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off Daily Mail Online

Stuff like this is par for course, and nobody really seems to get to worked up about it. Some dentist shoots a lion.. and bam, international outrage. I mean I get it, I understand why people get worked up over a beautiful critter like that getting put down for no good reason.

But I guess it just amazes me that all of this other stuff has been going on for years and years over there, and nobody really seems to take much notice.

Agree with you 100%. The "international" issue with this is one corrupt(probably wealthy individual) had the smarts to see a capitalist opportunity in going after an American. It's nothing more than a target of opportunity much like shooting a Lion in Zimbabwe.

No one over there cares about this cat. lol. I guarantee if this dentist offered the guy that's raising all this stink $50,000 to take him on another hunt, he'd jump on it. And do what any good hunting guide does…. make the hunt successful!!!!

Having lived over there I can tell you that the "villagers" that the press reported were "crying for justice" had almost certainly eaten the lion shortly after it was shot.

That's just the way it is - Africa is just.. well, it's hard to explain I guess. You just can't believe that stuff like that could happen in the real world, but it does all time over there.

I don't want to minimize the horribleness of poaching (it's still a conservation threat for many species), but I found this quote in an AP article.

Outside Zimbabwe's environmental and activist circles, however, the reaction been muted.

"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."

I understand the moral outrage that Americans have about it. What I don't understand is the picketing, and the ruining of his business, and, I assume if he ever comes back here and isn't imprisoned, the harassment that he's going to face. Given the social media response, you'd think he was the one who shot Kennedy.

I give him no sympathy for the legal repercussions he will face or the opinions that will be made about him, but there's a difference between holding an opinion about a person and trying to negatively affect unrelated portions of their life.

 

[EIngerson]

Good lord….

I'm glad our priorities are straight….

A cat was killed in Zimbabwe? I've heard 9 amber alerts in the past week. Countless murders on the news in my local area. Thefts, wild fires, govt corruption….the list goes on.

How many of you gave a damn about a lion 2 weeks ago? My guess is none.

Hell, the Zimbabwean Govt doesn't even care about this cat. Half of them didn't even know it happened.


Sorry Tirediron. Couldn't hold back.

Then I would add we should not be perplexed on who profits, from hunts in Africa or wars in Iraq.

I guess it kind of baffles me a little, I mean I realize that the folks that are up in arms about this have their hearts in the right place and I really don't fault them for being upset with the dentist.

But when you see 9 year old kids given AK-47's and forced into becoming killers for a local militia, given illegal drugs and forced to take them, etc - well when this is more or less commonplace practice it gets pretty hard to muster any righteous indignation over some bozo killing the wrong lion.

For me the thought of hunting any lion, well, it's repugnant. I'm not "anti-hunting" persee, but I guess I'm of the mind that if it's not something you are going to eat then it shouldn't be something you shoot.

But knowing what goes on over there, well it sort of gives you a much different perspective on the whole debate. Things like Gukurahundi,the Green Bombers, the list just goes on and on.

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off Daily Mail Online

Stuff like this is par for course, and nobody really seems to get to worked up about it. Some dentist shoots a lion.. and bam, international outrage. I mean I get it, I understand why people get worked up over a beautiful critter like that getting put down for no good reason.

But I guess it just amazes me that all of this other stuff has been going on for years and years over there, and nobody really seems to take much notice.

Agree with you 100%. The "international" issue with this is one corrupt(probably wealthy individual) had the smarts to see a capitalist opportunity in going after an American. It's nothing more than a target of opportunity much like shooting a Lion in Zimbabwe.

No one over there cares about this cat. lol. I guarantee if this dentist offered the guy that's raising all this stink $50,000 to take him on another hunt, he'd jump on it. And do what any good hunting guide does…. make the hunt successful!!!!

Having lived over there I can tell you that the "villagers" that the press reported were "crying for justice" had almost certainly eaten the lion shortly after it was shot.

That's just the way it is - Africa is just.. well, it's hard to explain I guess. You just can't believe that stuff like that could happen in the real world, but it does all time over there.

I don't want to minimize the horribleness of poaching (it's still a conservation threat for many species), but I found this quote in an AP article.

Outside Zimbabwe's environmental and activist circles, however, the reaction been muted.

"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."

I understand the moral outrage that Americans have about it, but I don't really understand why they think "Destroying this person's life" is the best solution.

Yup.

 

[robbins.photo]

I understand the moral outrage that Americans have about it, but I don't really understand why they think "Destroying this person's life" is the best solution.

Well, I don't really know what all happened over there and truthfully I doubt we'll ever really know with any degree of certainty. I guess what concerns me is that we live in an age where if you do something stupid and it happens to "go viral" you might very well have your own life destroyed by moral outrage that all too often seems to be fueled by people who never really did get the whole story but rather only a very narrow subset of the facts that was designed for just that purpose.

 

[EIngerson]

I understand the moral outrage that Americans have about it, but I don't really understand why they think "Destroying this person's life" is the best solution.

Well, I don't really know what all happened over there and truthfully I doubt we'll ever really know with any degree of certainty. I guess what concerns me is that we live in an age where if you do something stupid and it happens to "go viral" you might very well have your own life destroyed by moral outrage that all too often seems to be fueled by people who never really did get the whole story but rather only a very narrow subset of the facts that was designed for just that purpose.

Wait, you mean like internet bullying?