NEX 7 at 3200iso

[argieramos]

Snapsort is wrong, 6 points = more than 1/3 of a stop increment in performance which equals to more than 33% improvement in overall image quality. One big reason Sony sensors is better is their dynamic range, which is more than 2 stops better than Sony. Noise performance is also slightly behind Sony because of Canon's high read noise. Without that high read noise, Canon's noise performance might even be better than Sony.

Uhmm, 33% of 71 is around 23 and with that increase, the IQ will be 94. 77 is 9% increase from 71. Snapsort round off the percentage and say "around 10%".

I'm confuse with your post. You said Sony DR is better and it's 2 stop better than Sony? My comparison shows DR of NEX 5n is 1.6 f-stop than the Canon 5D.

 

[argieramos]

I think that both argieramos and o hey tyler is wrong. For market shares, Nikon is ahead - in Japan. Why do Canon wins in global share? Canon market a lot, even if their products is inferior. I agree with argieramos that the sensors in Canon DSLRs are much worse compared to Sony, Nikon and Pentax's, but that's because even their cameras are new, their sensor the old ones. Canon have not seemed to have a new sensor even till now, cause' the G1X's sensor is basically almost the same as the APS-C sensors in their DSLRs.

In DSLR market, Canon is on top, Nikon is 2nd, Sony is in the third place.
In overall camera marketshare, Canon is on top, Sony is 2nd, Nikon takes the third place.
Mirrorless market is getting bigger and popular. Nikon and Sony have a very strong share in that category and Canon is left behind.

 

[argieramos]

Snapsort is wrong, 6 points = more than 1/3 of a stop increment in performance which equals to more than 33% improvement in overall image quality. One big reason Sony sensors is better is their dynamic range, which is more than 2 stops better than Sony. Noise performance is also slightly behind Sony because of Canon's high read noise. Without that high read noise, Canon's noise performance might even be better than Sony.

Uhmm, 33% of 71 is around 23 and with that increase, the IQ will be 94. 77 is 9% increase from 71. Snapsort round off the percentage and say "around 10%".

I'm confuse with your post. You said Sony DR is better and it's 2 stop better than Sony? My comparison shows DR of NEX 5n is 1.6 f-stop than the Canon 5D.

 

[mjhoward]

In overall camera marketshare, Canon is on top, Sony is 2nd, Nikon takes the third place.
Mirrorless market is getting bigger and popular. Nikon and Sony have a very strong share in that category and Canon is left behind.

Since point and shoots are mirrorless, I agree. Sony make a ton of point and shoots, which explains why they have such large overall digital camera marketshare.

 

[argieramos]

Since point and shoots are mirrorless, I agree. Sony make a ton of point and shoots, which explains why they have such large overall digital camera marketshare.

I'm not talking about P/S. You want me to spell that out for you? To be specific, let's call it EVIL cameras.

 

[bhop]

Since we're all arguing and comparing cameras..

x100 at iso 6400

Hungry Boy by bhop, on Flickr

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Crazy, this is the fourth thread now about the same thing!!

To add fuel to the fire... I keep hearing about how dreadful the Canon sensor is...

http://www.popsci.com/files/IMG_9976.JPG

That is ISO 12,800 in dreadful light on the Canon 7D. Supposedly this camera is terrible in low light, but that dosen't look terrible to me. It is 12,800 afterall.

Looking forward now to getting flamed for this..

I'm not a huge Canon fan, but this idea that the 7D or 60D are useless at high ISO is complete and utter BS!

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Quit looking at your flipping nerdy boy charts and look at real life results!!! Look at the A77 compared to the D7000 and 7D. Use your eyes!

Sony SLT-A77 studio comparison samples: Digital Photography Review

The Nikon d7000 And Canon 7D are similar at high ISO's, the Sony A77 Is completely and utterly S*** at high ISO's. If you can't see that you are clearly blind! It lags FAR behind both the Canon and Nikon results... quit trying to compete by using test charts as evidence, look at real life results! So I reiterate this complete BS about Canon lagging behind in sensor technology is complete rubbish, they may be slightly behind Nikon but not as far behind as you are making out. The only thing that can make this thread more boring and trashy than it is, is if the downhill 'Skieur' returned.

That felt good!

 

[belial]

Quit looking at your flipping nerdy boy charts and look at real life results!!! Look at the A77 compared to the D7000 and 7D. Use your eyes!

Sony SLT-A77 studio comparison samples: Digital Photography Review

The Nikon d7000 And Canon 7D are similar at high ISO's, the Sony A77 Is completely and utterly S*** at high ISO's. If you can't see that you are clearly blind! It lags FAR behind both the Canon and Nikon results... quit trying to compete by using test charts as evidence, look at real life results! So I reiterate this complete BS about Canon lagging behind in sensor technology is complete rubbish, they may be slightly behind Nikon but not as far behind as you are making out. The only thing that can make this thread more boring and trashy than it is, is if the downhill 'Skieur' returned.

That felt good!

What we all have to realize also is canon hasn't released a new prosumer model on a while. I believe it was 2009 for the 7d and wasn't the 5d2 just a few months before that. Of course those cameras are behind in sensors that came out this year. But the cameras still perform well and are great sellers

 

[belial]

And before infer called a fan boy. Yeah I shoot canon. But im also looking into both minor Nikon and even a Sony system soon. With Sony I like some of the old Minolta lenses and they're cheap. Though most have CA issues but those don't bug me much. I figure I'll get an older Sony body and a beer can lens and a few other minoltas. Not interested in the mirror-less craze or slt. Just not my style. So there argie

 

[gsgary]

He does not even have a bloody Sony

Oh yea? who told you that? lol
You might wanna throw your obsolete FF 5D. Even Nex 5n takes better pictures than that lol.
Canon 5D vs Sony NEX-5N
Nex 5n: Better image quality 77.0 vs 71.0 "Around 10% better image quality"
Ouch! lol

You post one from a nex5 and ill post one of mine and we will put it to the vote, i know who will win

 

[cosmonaut]

Crazy, this is the fourth thread now about the same thing!!To add fuel to the fire... I keep hearing about how dreadful the Canon sensor is...http://www.popsci.com/files/IMG_9976.JPG .That is ISO 12,800 in dreadful light on the Canon 7D. Supposedly this camera is terrible in low light, but that dosen't look terrible to me. It is 12,800 afterall. Looking forward now to getting flamed for this.. I'm not a huge Canon fan, but this idea that the 7D or 60D are useless at high ISO is complete and utter BS!

I think the problem is the 7D just is kind of a plain Jane when it comes to features. Most purest probably prefer the 7D when most people want a camera that is loaded with things. No one has even mentioned the built in GPS on the Sony a77. Me there are a few things i just want to have if I am buying a camera of this caliber. Swivel screen, in body IS to name the biggies. I would easier give up a stop or two of noise levels. If I can shoot three stops slower because I have IS. Its a trade off.

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Crazy, this is the fourth thread now about the same thing!!To add fuel to the fire... I keep hearing about how dreadful the Canon sensor is...http://www.popsci.com/files/IMG_9976.JPG .That is ISO 12,800 in dreadful light on the Canon 7D. Supposedly this camera is terrible in low light, but that dosen't look terrible to me. It is 12,800 afterall. Looking forward now to getting flamed for this.. I'm not a huge Canon fan, but this idea that the 7D or 60D are useless at high ISO is complete and utter BS!

I think the problem is the 7D just is kind of a plain Jane when it comes to features. Most purest probably prefer the 7D when most people want a camera that is loaded with things. No one has even mentioned the built in GPS on the Sony a77. Me there are a few things i just want to have if I am buying a camera of this caliber. Swivel screen, in body IS to name the biggies. I would easier give up a stop or two of noise levels. If I can shoot three stops slower because I have IS. Its a trade off.

It wasn't an attack aimed at you Cosmonaut, you are not one of the 'certain' people here who sits referencing charts as a sign of your camera being better. I don't deny the A77 has good aspects and I don't deny that the A77 has some innovative features, the improvements in EVF are clearly being made. This thing about the A77 having a superior sensor though is just not cutting it with me though, Sony were overambitious with the MP count me thinks.

 

[belial]

I think the problem is the 7D just is kind of a plain Jane when it comes to features. Most purest probably prefer the 7D when most people want a camera that is loaded with things. No one has even mentioned the built in GPS on the Sony a77. Me there are a few things i just want to have if I am buying a camera of this caliber. Swivel screen, in body IS to name the biggies. I would easier give up a stop or two of noise levels. If I can shoot three stops slower because I have IS. Its a trade off.

In lens is tends to be more efficient. Gps IMO is just a battery waster. Course that's only my opinion

 

[belial]

Though I admit having stabilization on a prime lens must be awesome.