NEX 7 at 3200iso

[mjhoward]

I would easier give up a stop or two of noise levels. If I can shoot three stops slower because I have IS. Its a trade off.

Eh, thats not quite the same thing. For instance, if I've got my camera mounted on a tripod or have relatively little camera shake, IS won't do anything to stop motion on a moving subject. Having the stop or two faster shutter speed very well could though. Though I admit, in body IS is a nice feature.

 

[argieramos]

Quit looking at your flipping nerdy boy charts and look at real life results!!! Look at the A77 compared to the D7000 and 7D. Use your eyes!

Sony SLT-A77 studio comparison samples: Digital Photography Review

The Nikon d7000 And Canon 7D are similar at high ISO's, the Sony A77 Is completely and utterly S*** at high ISO's. If you can't see that you are clearly blind! It lags FAR behind both the Canon and Nikon results... quit trying to compete by using test charts as evidence, look at real life results! So I reiterate this complete BS about Canon lagging behind in sensor technology is complete rubbish, they may be slightly behind Nikon but not as far behind as you are making out. The only thing that can make this thread more boring and trashy than it is, is if the downhill 'Skieur' returned.

That felt good!

{Facepalm} You are giving the D7000 a bad image by saying it is similar to the Canon 7D. You wanted me to use my eyes, but it seems you are not using yours. Seriously dude. Are you smoking crack or something? lol.
By the looks of the date that images was posted, it seems that DPreview's a77 was running on a pre-matured FW (1.02 ). You are also comparing those images in a tiny little boxes. Even an iPhone4 shot is going to be almost as good in comparison. Let me give you a better site to compare images: Imaging Resource "Comparometer" ™ Digital Camera Image Comparison Page
a77 vs 7D from ISO100 to ISO1600: a77 destroyed the 7D in every category.
ISO3200: Noise seems pretty even, but a77 looks better and sharper
ISO6400 and above. a77 Noise performance starts falling behind the 7D from the the ISO6400, but the difference is hardly visible. For some reason, a77 images still looking better if you don't zoom in.
How much better the 7D in high ISO? Do the math. Canon 7D vs Sony SLT A77
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-Slightly lower Noise at high ISO - 854 vs 801 - "The 7D has a slight edge (0.1 f-stops) in low noise, high ISO performance. 0.1 f-stop difference? lol
Now the a77 advantage:
-Significantly better image quality - 78.0 vs 66.0
"Around 20% better image qualit
-More dynamic range - 13.2 EV vs 11.7 EV
"1.5 f-stops more dynamic range"
-Better color depth - 24 bits vs 22 bits
"Distinguishes 2 more bits of color"

Real life results and Lab test prove the superiority of the a77. Now lets go back to the "sensor talk". You wanted to talk about sensors but you used the a77 to compare ignoring the fact that it is loosing light because of the Pellicle Mirror. Why not use the NEX-7 instead? Are you really that dumb? Nyehehehe![/TD]
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Question for you, Nikon_Josh. D300s was released the same year as the 7D? And why are you keep calling out Skieur? Do you like him? hehe

 

[argieramos]

He does not even have a bloody Sony

Oh yea? who told you that? lol
You might wanna throw your obsolete FF 5D. Even Nex 5n takes better pictures than that lol.
Canon 5D vs Sony NEX-5N
Nex 5n: Better image quality 77.0 vs 71.0 "Around 10% better image quality"
Ouch! lol

You post one from a nex5 and ill post one of mine and we will put it to the vote, i know who will win

Yea, consider the popularity of trolls in here who loves shooting an outdated Canon sensors. lol But I might do it. Buy me a NEX 5n first

 

[argieramos]

Crazy, this is the fourth thread now about the same thing!!To add fuel to the fire... I keep hearing about how dreadful the Canon sensor is...http://www.popsci.com/files/IMG_9976.JPG .That is ISO 12,800 in dreadful light on the Canon 7D. Supposedly this camera is terrible in low light, but that dosen't look terrible to me. It is 12,800 afterall. Looking forward now to getting flamed for this.. I'm not a huge Canon fan, but this idea that the 7D or 60D are useless at high ISO is complete and utter BS!

I think the problem is the 7D just is kind of a plain Jane when it comes to features. Most purest probably prefer the 7D when most people want a camera that is loaded with things. No one has even mentioned the built in GPS on the Sony a77. Me there are a few things i just want to have if I am buying a camera of this caliber. Swivel screen, in body IS to name the biggies. I would easier give up a stop or two of noise levels. If I can shoot three stops slower because I have IS. Its a trade off.

It wasn't an attack aimed at you Cosmonaut, you are not one of the 'certain' people here who sits referencing charts as a sign of your camera being better. I don't deny the A77 has good aspects and I don't deny that the A77 has some innovative features, the improvements in EVF are clearly being made. This thing about the A77 having a superior sensor though is just not cutting it with me though, Sony were overambitious with the MP count me thinks.

Did anyone even say that the a77 sensor is superior? The discussion was not even specific to the 24mp sensor made by Sony.You fail so hard, as always. lol
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...rand2)/Nikon/(appareil3)/619|0/(brand3)/Canon

 

[EchoingWhisper]

Crazy, this is the fourth thread now about the same thing!!To add fuel to the fire... I keep hearing about how dreadful the Canon sensor is...http://www.popsci.com/files/IMG_9976.JPG .That is ISO 12,800 in dreadful light on the Canon 7D. Supposedly this camera is terrible in low light, but that dosen't look terrible to me. It is 12,800 afterall. Looking forward now to getting flamed for this.. I'm not a huge Canon fan, but this idea that the 7D or 60D are useless at high ISO is complete and utter BS!

I think the problem is the 7D just is kind of a plain Jane when it comes to features. Most purest probably prefer the 7D when most people want a camera that is loaded with things. No one has even mentioned the built in GPS on the Sony a77. Me there are a few things i just want to have if I am buying a camera of this caliber. Swivel screen, in body IS to name the biggies. I would easier give up a stop or two of noise levels. If I can shoot three stops slower because I have IS. Its a trade off.

It wasn't an attack aimed at you Cosmonaut, you are not one of the 'certain' people here who sits referencing charts as a sign of your camera being better. I don't deny the A77 has good aspects and I don't deny that the A77 has some innovative features, the improvements in EVF are clearly being made. This thing about the A77 having a superior sensor though is just not cutting it with me though, Sony were overambitious with the MP count me thinks.

High megapixel counts doesn't really degrade image quality much. If you resized a 24MP picture from NEX7 to 16MP (same as NEX 5N), you'd find that the sensor with higher pixel count is actually better, because it's newer, and high megapixel doesn't necessarily degrade image quality - it does degrade image quality at 100% but if both are printed at the same size, the newer sensor is likely to be better with the benefit of more resolution.

 

[EchoingWhisper]

Snapsort is wrong, 6 points = more than 1/3 of a stop increment in performance which equals to more than 33% improvement in overall image quality. One big reason Sony sensors is better is their dynamic range, which is more than 2 stops better than Sony. Noise performance is also slightly behind Sony because of Canon's high read noise. Without that high read noise, Canon's noise performance might even be better than Sony.

Uhmm, 33% of 71 is around 23 and with that increase, the IQ will be 94. 77 is 9% increase from 71. Snapsort round off the percentage and say "around 10%".

I'm confuse with your post. You said Sony DR is better and it's 2 stop better than Sony? My comparison shows DR of NEX 5n is 1.6 f-stop than the Canon 5D.

According to DxOMark, every 15 points equals to one stop. One stop means one time better. 6 points better = 40% better = 2/5 stops better.

 

[EchoingWhisper]

Quit looking at your flipping nerdy boy charts and look at real life results!!! Look at the A77 compared to the D7000 and 7D. Use your eyes!

Sony SLT-A77 studio comparison samples: Digital Photography Review

The Nikon d7000 And Canon 7D are similar at high ISO's, the Sony A77 Is completely and utterly S*** at high ISO's. If you can't see that you are clearly blind! It lags FAR behind both the Canon and Nikon results... quit trying to compete by using test charts as evidence, look at real life results! So I reiterate this complete BS about Canon lagging behind in sensor technology is complete rubbish, they may be slightly behind Nikon but not as far behind as you are making out. The only thing that can make this thread more boring and trashy than it is, is if the downhill 'Skieur' returned.

That felt good!

You need to know that studio results are often much more accurate than real life results because most factors are controlled to allow fair comparison.

 

[EchoingWhisper]

Crazy, this is the fourth thread now about the same thing!!

To add fuel to the fire... I keep hearing about how dreadful the Canon sensor is...

http://www.popsci.com/files/IMG_9976.JPG

That is ISO 12,800 in dreadful light on the Canon 7D. Supposedly this camera is terrible in low light, but that dosen't look terrible to me. It is 12,800 afterall.

Looking forward now to getting flamed for this..

I'm not a huge Canon fan, but this idea that the 7D or 60D are useless at high ISO is complete and utter BS!

Having an inferior sensor using a high ISO doesn't always produce an ugly picture - it depends on the shooter, but having a better sensor means you are more likely to get better results with it.

 

[belial]

Argie is the only troll here as he's the only one directly trashing other brands

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Quit looking at your flipping nerdy boy charts and look at real life results!!! Look at the A77 compared to the D7000 and 7D. Use your eyes!

Sony SLT-A77 studio comparison samples: Digital Photography Review

The Nikon d7000 And Canon 7D are similar at high ISO's, the Sony A77 Is completely and utterly S*** at high ISO's. If you can't see that you are clearly blind! It lags FAR behind both the Canon and Nikon results... quit trying to compete by using test charts as evidence, look at real life results! So I reiterate this complete BS about Canon lagging behind in sensor technology is complete rubbish, they may be slightly behind Nikon but not as far behind as you are making out. The only thing that can make this thread more boring and trashy than it is, is if the downhill 'Skieur' returned.

That felt good!

{Facepalm} You are giving the D7000 a bad image by saying it is similar to the Canon 7D. You wanted me to use my eyes, but it seems you are not using yours. Seriously dude. Are you smoking crack or something? lol.
By the looks of the date that images was posted, it seems that DPreview's a77 was running on a pre-matured FW (1.02 ). You are also comparing those images in a tiny little boxes. Even an iPhone4 shot is going to be almost as good in comparison. Let me give you a better site to compare images: Imaging Resource "Comparometer" ™ Digital Camera Image Comparison Page
a77 vs 7D from ISO100 to ISO1600: a77 destroyed the 7D in every category.
ISO3200: Noise seems pretty even, but a77 looks better and sharper
ISO6400 and above. a77 Noise performance starts falling behind the 7D from the the ISO6400, but the difference is hardly visible. For some reason, a77 images still looking better if you don't zoom in.
How much better the 7D in high ISO? Do the math. Canon 7D vs Sony SLT A77
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-Slightly lower Noise at high ISO - 854 vs 801 - "The 7D has a slight edge (0.1 f-stops) in low noise, high ISO performance. 0.1 f-stop difference? lol
Now the a77 advantage:
-Significantly better image quality - 78.0 vs 66.0
"Around 20% better image qualit
-More dynamic range - 13.2 EV vs 11.7 EV
"1.5 f-stops more dynamic range"
-Better color depth - 24 bits vs 22 bits
"Distinguishes 2 more bits of color"

Real life results and Lab test prove the superiority of the a77. Now lets go back to the "sensor talk". You wanted to talk about sensors but you used the a77 to compare ignoring the fact that it is loosing light because of the Pellicle Mirror. Why not use the NEX-7 instead? Are you really that dumb? Nyehehehe![/TD]
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Question for you, Nikon_Josh. D300s was released the same year as the 7D? And why are you keep calling out Skieur? Do you like him? hehe

OK I give in Argie, your right and I'm wrong pal... Now, seeing as you have helped me see the light... please can you post some images you have made with your Sony recently?

And yes I do miss the 'Downhill Skieur', I miss his 'imaginary' stories about how he went to the tropics and took photos on the back of jet ski's and how he took photos while jumping off the back of trains! :lmao: Damn that guy is funny! I feel I'm getting less laughs since he's gone, the only person talking BS on this thread now is you Argie, my old mate. :thumbup:

Those images from that site you sent me... I looked! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me they are RAW images?? And not JPEG images! If they are JPEG's (as they appear to flipping be) the test is completely invalid and that site is a piece of complete S*** aswell if they conduct tests using Jpeg images. :mrgreen:

You can also see the 7D is sharper at comparitive ISO's, supposedly the colour is superior on the A77 when you can see the colour depth on the Canon is equal?? If anything the A77 looks to be placing a yellow cast over everything, clearly poor AWB control.

 

[argieramos]

OK I give in Argie, your right and I'm wrong pal... Now, seeing as you have helped me see the light... please can you post some images you have made with your Sony recently?

And yes I do miss the 'Downhill Skieur', I miss his 'imaginary' stories about how he went to the tropics and took photos on the back of jet ski's and how he took photos while jumping off the back of trains! :lmao: Damn that guy is funny! I feel I'm getting less laughs since he's gone, the only person talking BS on this thread now is you Argie, my old mate. :thumbup:

Those images from that site you sent me... I looked! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me they are RAW images?? And not JPEG images! If they are JPEG's (as they appear to flipping be) the test is completely invalid and that site is a piece of complete S*** aswell if they conduct tests using Jpeg images. :mrgreen:

You can also see the 7D is sharper at comparitive ISO's, supposedly the colour is superior on the A77 when you can see the colour depth on the Canon is equal?? If anything the A77 looks to be placing a yellow cast over everything, clearly poor AWB control.

If you think the 7D is sharper, then I suggest have your eyes checked by specialist.
You are asking me if those are raw or jpegs. Let me ask you, if you are doing a comparison like that, would you even use jpegs? You really are good making stupid questions.
If you want to see which one is sharper, look at the fr*****g face you fool. When taking a picture like that, where do you place your focus? At the background? lol

Oh you miss skieur. So you have a special feelings for him? How cute

 

[argieramos]

You need to know that studio results are often much more accurate than real life results because most factors are controlled to allow fair comparison.

He doesn't know that. Hes dumb.

 

[Nikon_Josh]

OK I give in Argie, your right and I'm wrong pal... Now, seeing as you have helped me see the light... please can you post some images you have made with your Sony recently?

And yes I do miss the 'Downhill Skieur', I miss his 'imaginary' stories about how he went to the tropics and took photos on the back of jet ski's and how he took photos while jumping off the back of trains! :lmao: Damn that guy is funny! I feel I'm getting less laughs since he's gone, the only person talking BS on this thread now is you Argie, my old mate. :thumbup:

Those images from that site you sent me... I looked! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me they are RAW images?? And not JPEG images! If they are JPEG's (as they appear to flipping be) the test is completely invalid and that site is a piece of complete S*** aswell if they conduct tests using Jpeg images. :mrgreen:

You can also see the 7D is sharper at comparitive ISO's, supposedly the colour is superior on the A77 when you can see the colour depth on the Canon is equal?? If anything the A77 looks to be placing a yellow cast over everything, clearly poor AWB control.

If you think the 7D is sharper, then I suggest have your eyes checked by specialist.
You are asking me if those are raw or jpegs. Let me ask you, if you are doing a comparison like that, would you even use jpegs? You really are good making stupid questions.
If you want to see which one is sharper, look at the fr*****g face you fool. When taking a picture like that, where do you place your focus? At the background? lol

Oh you miss skieur. So you have a special feelings for him? How cute

I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE ON YOUTUBE! WHAT??

 

[Nikon_Josh]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol.

You must be referring to the photos in the concert venue? The ones with no visible noise, right?

I'm sure if Cosmonaut ran this photo through noise reduction, it would actually look pretty crisp. :thumbup:

I knew it would get him fired up it makes my day winding him up

I just had to come on to do it again, he is the easiest person on the planet to wind up and it worked again with ease! I could care less which camera is better, he even fell for me being defensive of Canon... :lmao:

 

[argieramos]

I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE ON YOUTUBE! WHAT??

YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oh2mYKFZ1A

Your attacks are getting more lame. lol

First you sent me a private message.
Now you miss Skieur.
You are more likely to be that feminine man on that video based on that.