NEX 7 at 3200iso

[mjhoward]

My computer downloads my Sony 24mpix files just as quick as files from my 12mpix Olympus. I don't shoot a ton of pictures anyway. If one knows what their doing there's no need to spray and pray.

Skieur and Argie must not know what they're doing because their biggest selling point was the 12FPS at full res

 

[rexbobcat]

The alleged "full frame" camera that Argue Ramos mentioned is not a full frame camera. It's an APS-H body. 1.3x Crop Factor. I enjoy lugging around a 5lb camera/lens. It gives me good results. If we were talking about the 5D Mark II or D700, that would be a bit different.

Like I said, with a good hand at noise removal, the photo should shine. I'm not dissing or putting down your camera. Almost any camera at ISO 3200 can benefit from NR.

Fool, That was on the first a77 thread. I've been referring the 1D as APS-H which is also bigger than the APS-C. Nice try. But with that bigger sensor, it's a shame to see it beaten by smaller sensors found in a580,Nex 5n, Nex-7, a77.
Call Canon and tell them to make sensors that can compete with the 16mp and 24mp of Sony. lol

The 1D Mark II is 8 years old mate.
It has a second gen. processor when Canon is currently in their 4 gen. of processors/dual processors.

Also, this ISO is not better than the noise of a 1D at this ISO. This noise is mostly luminance noise from what I can see. The Canon produces noise that is more like color noise. The image from the Nex-7 looks like it has severe image artifacts. I'm not sure if that's the kind of noise that the camera produces naturally, or if it's a product of heavy compression.

 

[argieramos]

I'm not acting like I'm the "best photographer." I know I am far from it. I'm ASSERTING that I am a better photographer than YOU, and that I can take better pictures than you with what you deem "inferior" equipment. Which is true. YOU are an amateur, so amateur that you took down the photos that you posted for C&C. So amateur that you can't even offer C&C.

It doesn't even matter if you edited your post. Without skills, there are no good photos. Sorry, that's the way it is. I don't expect you to understand that, because you have the mental aptitude of a 3rd grader.

You didn't start as a good photographer, so why bashing someone that has less experience? So you want to change our debate from "camera" to "photographer skills"? You got nothing else to say about this camera argument because you know that I'm right.

I didn't take down the photo that I posted for C&C. http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/people-photography/268161-wedding-photoshoot.html

Your opinion about my ability don't matter to me. I don't give a damn If I am an amatuer to you. I am an amateur, rookie, beginner. Happy now bro? Can we go back to our original discussion now? Don't think you can just change the topic. lol.
My work will be more amateur looking if I use a Canon camera with outdated sensor. That's why you have to buy expensive lens and good lighting equipment, because you couldn't take decent pictures without those. Hehehe..

 

[argieramos]

What happens in a couple of months when you're no longer able to use that excuse?

We still have to wait. But as of now Canon best APS-C 7D IQ is inferior to Sony worst mirrorless, the NEX-3.
http://www.resensor.com/2011/07/nex-3-vs-7d-who-will-win/:)

 

[argieramos]

The sensors of 5 years ago IMO were good enough. Who cares which camera has more overkill?

Your paps Tyler do. Start reading from the start. You will see who started this nonsense debate.

 

[argieramos]

So where does that put you? So far I see you do nothing but bash Canon.

You didn't see everything. You don't know the whole story.

What? Dude it has been one of the mildest winters on record for the entire Midwest. I am a couple hours north of you and can assure you that is a BS excuse.

I just don't like to shoot on a winter season. It is just my personal preference. How is that an excuse?

Before you get your knickers in a twist let me explain where I am coming from overall. What camera system do I use? Sony. Why? Because I shot Minolta for decades before going digital and have a big camera bag of quality Minolta lenses. If I had shot either Canon or Nikon before and had as many good lenses as I do, then I would have stuck with the brand. As it is, Sony delivers everything I want and need and does it as well as either Canon, Nikon, or any other camera system could. If I was shooting strictly Sports for a living, I wouldn't have been shooting Minolta to begin with... Canon has pretty well owned that category for a LONG time. I have seen some of O Hey Tyler's photos he has posted. Regardless of camera, sensor, format (FF, crop, point-n-shoot, cell phone, etc...) whatever; he would be able to turn out a quality photo. The other side of that coin is that I know some shooters that have the financial means to take some really big crappy snapshots with a Nikon D3s and another that does the same with a Canon EOS 1D. I know if I gave them a cutting edge Hasselblad H4D-60 they would turn out some really, really big crappy snapshots.

lol. That's what I have been telling to these guys. It's not about the camera. It's the person behind it, the Photographer. Tyler and his Canon troll pals started bashing Sony camera. I am just telling them that before they diss Sony camera, make sure their favorite brand (Canon) is actually have something good to compete to a camera that they are bashing. I don't hate Canon. Infact, I defended it from Derrel in Nikon forum.

You assert that Canon sensors are out of date and therefore junk. Ever see a print from a 90+ year old Kodak 1A AUTOGRAPH using modern film? Can't get much older tech that that and frankly I have only seen a few shots from ANY digital system that will come close to the feeling and look of that old tech. Age really means squat if the camera does what you need it to do, and you know haw to actually USE it.

Canon cameras are good. Their sensors are just behind Sony. That's all

 

[argieramos]

That's why I often shoot with a 5Dmk1 from 2006... It still produces high quality images... and the filesize isn't 21 megapixels so they don't take forever to download. But like you said, Camera tech means nothing unless you know how to use it.

Now you are saying that. You were not like in the a77 thread. lol

 

[argieramos]

The t3i wasn't supposed to be a new sensor. It was a recycling of older tech

That's my point. New camera but old sensor. Meaning outdated sensor

 

[EchoingWhisper]

The t3i wasn't supposed to be a new sensor. It was a recycling of older tech

That's my point. New camera but old sensor. Meaning outdated sensor

Two cameras at the same year - DxOMark - Compare cameras side by sideAlthough the Nikon sensor gets better point, I think the Canon sensor is better. At 50% higher resolution + 10% smaller sensor (supposedly loss - more than half a stop), a loss of 4 points (actual loss - less than one third of a stop), the Canon sensor was actually 1 third of a stop better. But once Sony's sensor jumped in, Canon have never beaten any of cameras with Sony sensor.

 

[o hey tyler]

That's why I often shoot with a 5Dmk1 from 2006... It still produces high quality images... and the filesize isn't 21 megapixels so they don't take forever to download. But like you said, Camera tech means nothing unless you know how to use it.

Now you are saying that. You were not like in the a77 thread. lol

I've been saying it in this thread. Explicitly. Camera tech means nothing if you don't know how to use it.

And you don't know how to use it, Argue.

 

[o hey tyler]

My work will be more amateur looking if I use a Canon camera with outdated sensor. That's why you have to buy expensive lens and good lighting equipment, because you couldn't take decent pictures without those. Hehehe..

Holy **** you really are that stupid? Have fun with your A77 and kit lens while shooting all available light photography. I'm sure that will produce some great images. :lmao: This is why you will never be successful at what you do. Because you don't "get" photography.

(SPOILER ALERT: IT HAS TO DO WITH CAPTURING LIGHT.)

 

[belial]

Two cameras at the same year - DxOMark - Compare cameras side by sideAlthough the Nikon sensor gets better point, I think the Canon sensor is better. At 50% higher resolution + 10% smaller sensor (supposedly loss - more than half a stop), a loss of 4 points (actual loss - less than one third of a stop), the Canon sensor was actually 1 third of a stop better. But once Sony's sensor jumped in, Canon have never beaten any of cameras with Sony sensor.

And yet most pros use canon and take great pictures with them? How is that possible when the sensors are clearly behind? Once again who cares who has more overkill. Sony is merely trying to win their losing battle in the slr world.

 

[Nikon_Josh]

HE doesn't take photos when it's too cold outside!!!!! :lmao: Maybe you should put a scarf on Argie.. This really did make me laugh out loud, classic!

 

[argieramos]

That's why I often shoot with a 5Dmk1 from 2006... It still produces high quality images... and the filesize isn't 21 megapixels so they don't take forever to download. But like you said, Camera tech means nothing unless you know how to use it.

Now you are saying that. You were not like in the a77 thread. lol

I've been saying it in this thread. Explicitly. Camera tech means nothing if you don't know how to use it.

And you don't know how to use it, Argue.

You know how to use your camera but your pictures still not as good as your papi,Derrel pictures. Why? Because you are using Canon. Hehehe

 

[argieramos]

My work will be more amateur looking if I use a Canon camera with outdated sensor. That's why you have to buy expensive lens and good lighting equipment, because you couldn't take decent pictures without those. Hehehe..

Holy **** you really are that stupid? Have fun with your A77 and kit lens while shooting all available light photography. I'm sure that will produce some great images. :lmao: This is why you will never be successful at what you do. Because you don't "get" photography.

(SPOILER ALERT: IT HAS TO DO WITH CAPTURING LIGHT.)

If "successful" you mean being a Professional, I don't have a plan of becoming one. You said I don't "get" photography? I could ask you the very same question. Remember, you are the one who brought this nonsense camera argument up in here. You think bashing a camera will make you a Pro? The photographer is the one that make the difference. Tyler boy, you are learning from someone that you're calling an amateur. lol.