NEX 7 at 3200iso

[belial]

Sony has a different approach doing their LV compare to Nikon and Canon. It is superior and faster than Canon and Nikon

It's not superior. It's better for video.

 

[rexbobcat]

I'm happy, and there have been photos taken by Canons (and Nikons) on this site that are indeed better than your photos, even though you have the God camera, so as far as I can tell, you can keep taking high detailed pictures of your cats while everyone else gets on with their lives. Agreed?

At the same time there are also photos taken by Sony cameras on this site that are indeed better than Canons and Nikons. Take your photo as an example. Looks really bad. Again, photographer makes the difference. But the fact remains that the 7D and your 60D IQ is inferior to NEX-3

I am not saying your 60D is not a good camera. All I'm saying is that the Image Quality is not as good as the camera that you are bashing. That's all bro.

PS. lock-focus is a very simple task. You should have somebody to teach you how to do that. Very simple

Look, quit being an ass. I took those photos as examples of the high ISO of the 60D. And earlier you said that technology makes the photographer. Or atleast that's what I inferred from your mockery.

And you didn't take any of those photos. I'm almost certain of it. Or atleast, I haven't seen anything spectacular out of you. That's all I'm saying, bro.

PS: The A100 or whatever the fck the first Sony DSLR was had an AF that was set up horribly. It's not my fault if it's taken Sony like 6-7 years to develop useable SLR technology that has been around for decades. I think I'll stick with Sony for my gaming needs, and leave the photography equipment to the professionals.

That's all, bro.

 

[bentcountershaft]

Argieramos reminds me of the Hemi guy yelling at Ford and Chevy owners.

 

[cosmonaut]

That is because live view is used, not because of the lousy sensor.

Say what??

Live view makes the camera hot, which increases noise level.

I think I have heard it all now. I have taken cameras out of hot cars in the summer with no extra noise. Your misleading people with something you can't prove nor have any facts to support it. I think a Canon has more noise because it's spelled with two Ns instead of the one in Sony. You should quit showing how smart you are.

 

[cosmonaut]

If you Canon guys really want to impress me impress me with pictures If you are going to talk the talk let me see you walk the walk, or walk off to another forum. Let's see your pictures with no nr added. Put up or shut up.

 

[Crollo]

Argieramos uses Ken Rockwell as a valid source of information. You'd have to be stupid to continue feeding him, so please, ​just stop.

 

[cosmonaut]

Post us couple of shots please at 5000iso

Has nothing to do with the sensor. Nikons tend to have more advanced metering. Canon just barely caught up in non color blind metering and Sony hasn't gotten there yet btw. Sensor really doesn't mean that much

Your opinion. That's a harsh claim coming from someone who don't use an alpha.Still doesn't change the fact that Canon best semi-Pro level 7D IQ is inferior to the worst mirrorless camera of Sony. Sensor doesn't mean that much? lol. Tell me that you're joking.Derrel has a Canon and Nikon, but like his Nikon more.Gary Fong, a real Pro and inventor of lightsphere has a Canon, Nikon, and Sony. He like his Sony more "Canon the new Kodak"

Your opinions don't make any sense. The high ISO of the Nex looks really bad. It looks the same as my 60D at 5000 ISO. And the 60D is even worse than the 7D so....yeah....

 

[bentcountershaft]

Say what??

Live view makes the camera hot, which increases noise level.

I think I have heard it all now. I have taken cameras out of hot cars in the summer with no extra noise. Your misleading people with something you can't prove nor have any facts to support it. I think a Canon has more noise because it's spelled with two Ns instead of the one in Sony. You should quit showing how smart you are.

What is it exactly that you are doubting? That sensors can overheat when using live view extensively? I just looked in my manual and it warns against exactly that. There's a warning that flashes on screen when the sensor is starting to get too hot and if you continue using live view the sensor will automatically shut down before it gets damaged. It also says this heat will degrade image quality. Do Sony sensors have some sort of active cooling mechanism that prevents this?

 

[belial]

Argieramos uses Ken Rockwell as a valid source of information. You'd have to be stupid to continue feeding him, so please, ​just stop.

Point taken

 

[EchoingWhisper]

Say what??

Live view makes the camera hot, which increases noise level.

I think I have heard it all now. I have taken cameras out of hot cars in the summer with no extra noise. Your misleading people with something you can't prove nor have any facts to support it. I think a Canon has more noise because it's spelled with two Ns instead of the one in Sony. You should quit showing how smart you are.

I've never went against Sony in this thread. I've stayed neutral and I'm impressed with their sensor technology. But I am just stating the truth (maybe not a truth, but definitely something written online with supported pictures and facts) that live view makes the camera hot and increases noise level. Of course, you've taken cameras out of hot cars in the summer with no extra noise but have you made a comparison? I don't understand why are you comparing this 'I think a Canon has more noise because it's spelled with two Ns instead of the one in Sony' with this 'Live view makes the camera hot, which increases noise level'. If you don't believe what I said, you could always Google it. If you could find a source that proves me (or many people on the Internet) wrong, I'd be happy to admit that its my mistake. Also, another reason I'm stating that the noise comes from live view because from DxOMark's tests, the 60D and NEX 7 has similar SNR, so I suspect that the extra noise come from sensor heat. I'm not showing how smart I am.

 

[jaomul]

I have 2 canon dslr cameras. To be honest I recently upgraded one and was close to buying a Pentax. Why? Because I have read DxO comparisons and the sensor is better than the canon cameras. Then I had a re-think and couldn't justify trying to sell all my lenses and accessories etc. I think a lot of people may be like this, one year or two and canon has the best reviewed cameras and a nikon user is tempted to move, next nikon are better and next sony are better. But realistically i think very few get the best out of what they have themselves.I agree totally with a previous poster that it doesn't matter the amount of overkill in your camera.I see great shots on this forum from all types of people with all different types of cameras.

Initially you pick a brand and unless your very well off or a pro making money you end up sticking (not always, usually). Do sony make good cameras, I think definetely. Is that original ISO 3200 good. Sure it can be faulted but look at the price point of the camera that took it. 3 years ago and what price would have been paid for equipment to do this shot at that ISO. Yet still great shots are posted from canon 350D cameras and d40 nikons from years ago when the sensors were way less sensitive than modern cameras. There is a balance between ability and tech, but ability seems to always come first.
I am at the lower end of ability level, give me a d3 and i still wouldn't do any better, I could nearly bet a talented photographer would wipe the floor with a p+s. I am amused by how heated this form gets. I mean all you guys/girls love photography

 

[argieramos]

It's not superior. It's better for video.

Sony LV is not superior but just better for video? Do you even know what you are talking about? Dude, do not compare a Canon LV to Sony LV.

 

[argieramos]

Look, quit being an ass. I took those photos as examples of the high ISO of the 60D. And earlier you said that technology makes the photographer. Or atleast that's what I inferred from your mockery.

I wasn't talking about the high ISO performance. I was talking about the overall IQ. You came in to this thread and posted a photo taken with your 60D. The noise wasn't that bad, but the IQ is inferior to the NEX-3. I posted a link showing the comparison. Didn't you see that?

And you didn't take any of those photos. I'm almost certain of it. Or atleast, I haven't seen anything spectacular out of you. That's all I'm saying, bro.

Go take a photo with a similar theme and subject as mine. Go take a picture of the moon. Let me see if you can do better.

PS: The A100 or whatever the fck the first Sony DSLR was had an AF that was set up horribly. It's not my fault if it's taken Sony like 6-7 years to develop useable SLR technology that has been around for decades. I think I'll stick with Sony for my gaming needs, and leave the photography equipment to the professionals.

That's all, bro.

lol. You didn't even know what to do with the "eye-start" and didn't know how to lock-focus. Obviously you didn't know how to use the camera. Don't even consider yourself as a professional if you don't know how to do a simple photography task.

 

[argieramos]

Argieramos uses Ken Rockwell as a valid source of information. You'd have to be stupid to continue feeding him, so please, ​just stop.

You only Commented on the Ken Rockwell thing, but didn't say anything on Derrel and Gary Fong statement. You failed so hard lol.....

 

[argieramos]

What is it exactly that you are doubting? That sensors can overheat when using live view extensively? I just looked in my manual and it warns against exactly that. There's a warning that flashes on screen when the sensor is starting to get too hot and if you continue using live view the sensor will automatically shut down before it gets damaged. It also says this heat will degrade image quality. Do Sony sensors have some sort of active cooling mechanism that prevents this?

If you think Sony's way of doing LV is the same way as Canon and Nikon do theirs, you don't know what you are talking about. Sony is doing a double sensor approach for the LV. It is better and faster.