Nikon is slacking

[Village Idiot]

From what I understand Canon doesn't plan to actually release the new 1Dx until March of 2012, if it even happens then.

Canon has proven repeatedly over the years to be more about hype, than substance.

Vaporware, from Wikipedia: "...also generally applies to a product that is announced months or years before its release, and for which public development details are lacking. The word has been applied to a growing range of products including consumer, automobiles, and some stock trading practices. At times, vendors are criticized for intentionally producing vaporware in order to keep customers from switching to competitive products that offer more features.[SUP][1][/SUP]Publications widely accuse developers of announcing products early intentionally to gain advantage over others. Network World magazine called vaporware an "epidemic" in 1989, and blamed the press for not investigating whether developers' claims were true. Seven major companies issued a report in 1990 saying they felt vaporware had hurt the industry's credibility. The United States accused several companies of announcing vaporware early in violation of antitrust laws, but few have been found guilty."

Canon has been guilty of announcing MULTIPLE "new products" more than a year in advance, as a way to try and keep people from defecting to the superior Nikon D3,D3s,and D3x camp. Most of their vaporware is high-end stuff, announced looooong before it is ready to be shipped to retailers. Like Canon's answer to Nikon's 200-400 VR...Canon announced a 200-400 f/4 lens with a built-in,permanent 1.4x converter....where the hell is that lens at? Same with their new teles...a year in advance....Canon calls its vaporware "Development Announcements". The attempt is to try and cause fear, uncertainty, and doubt within the market, to "freeze" customers, and to take credit (publicity, internet buzz, rumor-spreading,etc) for chit they actually have no ability whatsoever to either manufacture, or to ship. That, my Village Idiot friend, is "vaporware-like". Creating one, or two show cameras, like the 1DX, is pretty easy to do. All one needs is three cameras--one for North America, on for Europe, one for Asia.

Right now, the entire photography market at the higher end has severely constrained supply on ANY product that customers TRULY want to buy. An article on Luminous Landscape mentioned that the big Canon telephotos, and pro bodies, were basically "unavailable" for purchase. Mark Dubovny wrote an article entitled, "Is The Photographic Supply Chain Totally Broken?" posted at
Is the Photo Equipment Supply Chain Totally Broken?

Dubovny lists six separate, discrete reasons why equipment supplies are constrained.

Lenses and such yes, but any idiot woul know that once they announce a camera, it does make it to market no more than several months later, even if supply is scarce. The 5D MKII was incredibly hard to find because it was in such high demand. I'm not sure you don't work for Nikon.

 

[Markw]

Well, any way you look at it, the supply of the D700 and D300s is going to be severely impacted very shortly. It's going to be illegal to ship out their batteries with exposed contacts. No batteries, no cameras. No cameras = upgrade soon to come.

Nikon D700, D300s and other products no longer shipping in Japan | Nikon Rumors

Mark

 

[Derrel]

The Canon 5D bodies have NEVER been in "high demand". Ever. They do not sell very well because of their high cost. Same with the original 5D...it came onto the market at $3,499 and quickly had to have its price lowered to $3199 via rebates. The 5D simply was too much money for the average shooter, and throughout its life it was bundled, rebated, and rebated, and bundled, around five separate times. Pretty much the same thing with the 5D Mark II--NOT a high-demand camera in terms of unit sales. Again, it is a semi-professional and professional shooter's camera, and as I know, and you apparently do NOT know, the high demand cameras are ALWAYS the low-er and mid-level cameras.

The low-end and mid-level cameras make the MOST profit for the camera makers, the retailers, and the wholesalers, with the minimal amount of cost outlay in inventory for ALL LEVELS. Higher-priced, specialty cameras like the Canon 5D and 5D Mark II and the EOS 1 series and the Nikon D3 series bodies are slow, limited-volume sellers. The Nikon D70, then D40, then D90 have been HUUUUUUUUUUUGE sellers for Nikon, in the same way that the EOS 20D was a HUUUUGE sales success for Canon, as was the 40D. The Canon 30D, and 50D were sales **DUDS**.

Sorry Idiot, but I used to work in the photo/video retail business for a chain of 13 stores....I am intimately familiar with how camera equipment is sold, and how it "sells". The psychological barriers of $1,000 and $1200, and $1500 and $2500 are pretty well-known...the $2699 price of a 5D-II is a huge barrier for anybody but a wealthy buyer, or a pro, or semi-pro.

Canon has kept supply of the 5D and 5D-II low because there is very little "demand" for $2,699 to $2,300 cameras, as compared with the absolutely HUUUUUUGE "demand" for lower-priced cameras. The 5D Mark II was not as you say incredibly hard to find because it was in such demand--it was incredibly hard to find because DEALERS DO NOT WANT A SLOW-SELLING, niche product tying up ten thousand dollars for LESS THAN A HALF-DOZEN units to sell. Duuuuh!

You clearly are a Village Idiot, talking out of your azz on this subject, just totally,totally un-informed.

 

[Overread19]

Village Idiot and Derrel

By all means continue your debate/opposing arguments - but please take a moment and make sure that your posts are not saying things which, to the other party, could be read as insults.

 

[ghache]

The Canon 5D bodies have NEVER been in "high demand". Ever. They do not sell very well because of their high cost. Same with the original 5D...it came onto the market at $3,499 and quickly had to have its price lowered to $3199 via rebates. The 5D simply was too much money for the average shooter, and throughout its life it was bundled, rebated, and rebated, and bundled, around five separate times. Pretty much the same thing with the 5D Mark II--NOT a high-demand camera in terms of unit sales. Again, it is a semi-professional and professional shooter's camera, and as I know, and you apparently do NOT know, the high demand cameras are ALWAYS the low-er and mid-level cameras.

The low-end and mid-level cameras make the MOST profit for the camera makers, the retailers, and the wholesalers, with the minimal amount of cost outlay in inventory for ALL LEVELS. Higher-priced, specialty cameras like the Canon 5D and 5D Mark II and the EOS 1 series and the Nikon D3 series bodies are slow, limited-volume sellers. The Nikon D70, then D40, then D90 have been HUUUUUUUUUUUGE sellers for Nikon, in the same way that the EOS 20D was a HUUUUGE sales success for Canon, as was the 40D. The Canon 30D, and 50D were sales **DUDS**.

Sorry Idiot, but I used to work in the photo/video retail business for a chain of 13 stores....I am intimately familiar with how camera equipment is sold, and how it "sells". The psychological barriers of $1,000 and $1200, and $1500 and $2500 are pretty well-known...the $2699 price of a 5D-II is a huge barrier for anybody but a wealthy buyer, or a pro, or semi-pro.

Canon has kept supply of the 5D and 5D-II low because there is very little "demand" for $2,699 to $2,300 cameras, as compared with the absolutely HUUUUUUGE "demand" for lower-priced cameras. The 5D Mark II was not as you say incredibly hard to find because it was in such demand--it was incredibly hard to find because DEALERS DO NOT WANT A SLOW-SELLING, niche product tying up ten thousand dollars for LESS THAN A HALF-DOZEN units to sell. Duuuuh!

You clearly are a Village Idiot, talking out of your azz on this subject, just totally,totally un-informed.

in all the canon shooters i know, they all own 5ds. i dont know if the demand is that low lol!

 

[Village Idiot]

The Canon 5D bodies have NEVER been in "high demand". Ever. They do not sell very well because of their high cost. Same with the original 5D...it came onto the market at $3,499 and quickly had to have its price lowered to $3199 via rebates. The 5D simply was too much money for the average shooter, and throughout its life it was bundled, rebated, and rebated, and bundled, around five separate times. Pretty much the same thing with the 5D Mark II--NOT a high-demand camera in terms of unit sales. Again, it is a semi-professional and professional shooter's camera, and as I know, and you apparently do NOT know, the high demand cameras are ALWAYS the low-er and mid-level cameras.

The low-end and mid-level cameras make the MOST profit for the camera makers, the retailers, and the wholesalers, with the minimal amount of cost outlay in inventory for ALL LEVELS. Higher-priced, specialty cameras like the Canon 5D and 5D Mark II and the EOS 1 series and the Nikon D3 series bodies are slow, limited-volume sellers. The Nikon D70, then D40, then D90 have been HUUUUUUUUUUUGE sellers for Nikon, in the same way that the EOS 20D was a HUUUUGE sales success for Canon, as was the 40D. The Canon 30D, and 50D were sales **DUDS**.

Sorry Idiot, but I used to work in the photo/video retail business for a chain of 13 stores....I am intimately familiar with how camera equipment is sold, and how it "sells". The psychological barriers of $1,000 and $1200, and $1500 and $2500 are pretty well-known...the $2699 price of a 5D-II is a huge barrier for anybody but a wealthy buyer, or a pro, or semi-pro.

Canon has kept supply of the 5D and 5D-II low because there is very little "demand" for $2,699 to $2,300 cameras, as compared with the absolutely HUUUUUUGE "demand" for lower-priced cameras. The 5D Mark II was not as you say incredibly hard to find because it was in such demand--it was incredibly hard to find because DEALERS DO NOT WANT A SLOW-SELLING, niche product tying up ten thousand dollars for LESS THAN A HALF-DOZEN units to sell. Duuuuh!

You clearly are a Village Idiot, talking out of your azz on this subject, just totally,totally un-informed.

How many videographers were clamoring for a D700? When the 5D MKII was first released, B&H, Adorama, and other big name retailers couldn't keep them in stock. The places that actually had wait list had rather large lines. This is not "talking out of my azz". I purchased my 5D MKII in November the year it came out and the only way I could get it was by purchasing a kit and selling the lens. When Adorama, B&H, or any of the other big retailers would get shipments in, they would sell out almost immediately. That's what I would classify as high demand unless for some reason high demand now means that it's an item that no one wants.

Village Idiot and Derrel

By all means continue your debate/opposing arguments - but please take a moment and make sure that your posts are not saying things which, to the other party, could be read as insults.

90% of his posts are insulting. Can I go on full on rants acting like a child with name calling and such and not get banned as well?

 

[Tee]

I agree and while I think about switching and supporting a company like Canon, I just can't do it. Nikon needs to release something soon. I am shooting sports with a D5100. The focusing is so slow even on a 70-200 f2.8 VRII. I am awaiting for the D4/D800. If I do not buy these then the D3s will come down in price. I really need something full frame and 7+ fps.

How much are you expecting the D3s to come down in price when a new release comes out? The body alone is $5,000 right now. It's a solid camera high in demand. IMHO, I don't forsee a dramatic price drop the first year after a new release. One temporary option is sell your 5100, upgrade to the D7000 and then upgrade again. Just some thoughts.