Nikon Z6 & Z7 fails

[scaryloud]

Nikon: "Let's take the sensor tech from the D850 and put it in one camera. Then we'll take the sensor tech from the D750 and put it into the other camera. But wait, there's more! Now let's take the stuff people really hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras and incorporate them into both new camera bodies! Let's make sure we charge the same as the D850 and more than the D750 when we launch them!"

One card slot?! Not only that but it's XQD?! 128gb card = $200+...and you get to buy an external card reader! "Hey, my memory card died during this wedding shoot! No worries, I have my bac---" NOPE! Look, I would pay more for the XQD cards (not gleefully) if there were 2 slots. I have an XQD card in my D500. But I gotta stack of SD and CF cards already (about $1200 in value give or take), to render them obsolete would take a better camera than the Z6 or Z7 currently are.

FTZ adapter. Works great with G lenses. D lenses, no autofocus. Seems like no big deal, unless you're shooting rapid fire or don't have the best eyesight. Oh, and may or may not work with 3rd party lenses.

Buffer on the Z7...complete fail! Why so? Because XQD cards are SUBSTANTIALLY faster than SD, yet Nikon doesn't increase the buffer internally to take advantage of it at all!

Look, I'm a looooong time Nikon user, but there is no excuse for these flaws. If it were 2012 and Nikon was trend setting like Sony did, no problem...minus the single card slot. But no. They aren't blazing any paths. Most would agree Nikon and Canon are WAY behind the power curve in the mirrorless game.

Sure the autofocus system is great, but still not breaking any new ice. They've smoothed out video focusing as well, about freakin' time. Canon, Sony and Panasuckit figured out how to do it years ago.

4k video uses cropped frame on the sensor for 1:1 ratio.

About the only things Nikon got right were the grip, the touch screen, and the battery (en-el15b)...just not the battery life (330 shots?). Those new lenses look...eh, rushed really.

I expected soooo much more considering the technology that's already out there. Good news is my D810 and D500 will be holding their value for a while longer so far as I can tell.

What say you???

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[jcdeboever]

There is a thread going on about it here, many pages. It is what it is. I use Fujifilm digital anyway because it is setup like a film camera and has great glass. I will say the base camera may turn into something at some point but Sony will release a new A7 and thump them upside the head. Fujifilm is coming out with the XT3 next month which will pretty much make all of this a moot point. People wish that Fujifilm would come out with a full frame mirrorless but they don't have to, the image quality is stellar with their current offerings. Additionally, they have medium format digital and are soon going to announce a new, medium format range finder style that's half the Price of a GFX and will be cheaper then the Z7. Nikon is way late to the game and this one is kind of a head scratcher to me.

 

[scaryloud]

I get why they did this. Nikon didn't want to destroy their DSLR market. The problem is Sony already is doing that for them. Well that and Nikon's recent issues with bad shutters (my D750 destroyed itself...including the sensor) and you can't readily buy a D850 unless you get grey market. Its been on back order for almost a year now. Not to mention the whole oil issue on the D600. I had one and it was a mess too.

Nikon needs to fix itself QUICK! They are their own worst enemy at this point. I love Nikon, but I'm steadily losing faith in their products.

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[Designer]

What say you???

(disclaimer) I am not a potential purchaser of the Z system.

I think the biggest failure by Nikon was to target a particular line of Sony cameras, and in doing so to incorporate the very superficial qualities of the Sony cameras, i.e.: size, weight, mirrorless, proprietary lens mount, etc. Coming out in full force against one part of a competitor's line seems like such a waste of time, effort, and money.

Second to that is the pricing structure. These are not professional cameras, and amateurs are unlikely to purchase them in great numbers. Instead of providing the adapter in the initial package, (along with a lens and all priced reasonably) they make everyone purchase the adapter at a fat price. Speaking of fat price, the lenses are overpriced as well. Considering that they do not need an internal focusing motor, and do not incorporate lens-based VR, the prices seem unreasonable.

Thirdly, (and this has nothing to do directly with the Z system) Nikon could have spent some of that development time, effort, and money in developing something unique to Nikon, and something that the photographic community would eagerly embrace. But they didn't.

 

[waday]

One card slot?!

Huh, despite following the Nikon mirrorless release for a while, I've been so busy the past few days, I haven't had a chance to actually look at the released cameras.

Only one card slot is surprising. But, aren't XQD cards larger? So, if they were to include two XQD cards, they'd need to make it larger overall (which they probably didn't want to do). They could have chosen to do one XQD and one SD, but then the XQD would be limited to the SD card when shooting in redundancy, right? Or just use two SD cards, but supposedly they aren't as reliable as the XQD cards (or at least that's what I've heard from hearsay)?

 

[Braineack]

wow.

Nikon: "Let's take the sensor tech from the D850 and put it in one camera. Then we'll take the sensor tech from the D750 and put it into the other camera. But wait, there's more! Now let's take the stuff people really hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras and incorporate them into both new camera bodies! Let's make sure we charge the same as the D850 and more than the D750 when we launch them!"

What's wrong with those sensors?
And what are the elements that people hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras that were incorporated into the new bodies?

One card slot?!

When's the last time your memory card failed? Do you even shoot weddings with RAW + JPG?

Not only that but it's XQD?!

ZQD > CF > SD

FTZ adapter. Works great with G lenses. D lenses, no autofocus. Seems like no big deal, unless you're shooting rapid fire or don't have the best eyesight. Oh, and may or may not work with 3rd party lenses.

they could have not made an adapter... would that have pleased you? I'm personally very happy a FZ adapter will exist from day one.

Buffer on the Z7...complete fail! Why so? Because XQD cards are SUBSTANTIALLY faster than SD, yet Nikon doesn't increase the buffer internally to take advantage of it at all!

you're contradicting yourself here. why would they increase the internal buffer if the cards can write fast enough not to need a buffer?

Look, I'm a looooong time Nikon user, but there is no excuse for these flaws. If it were 2012 and Nikon was trend setting like Sony did, no problem...minus the single card slot. But no. They aren't blazing any paths. Most would agree Nikon and Canon are WAY behind the power curve in the mirrorless game.

were they trying to blaze a path? has nikon ever? not in my opinion.

Sure the autofocus system is great...They've smoothed out video focusing as well...4k video uses cropped frame on the sensor for 1:1 ratio...the grip..the touch screen...the battery.

so basically they made a pretty decent camera...

 

[scaryloud]

One card slot?!

Huh, despite following the Nikon mirrorless release for a while, I've been so busy the past few days, I haven't had a chance to actually look at the released cameras.

Only one card slot is surprising. But, aren't XQD cards larger? So, if they were to include two XQD cards, they'd need to make it larger overall (which they probably didn't want to do). They could have chosen to do one XQD and one SD, but then the XQD would be limited to the SD card when shooting in redundancy, right? Or just use two SD cards, but supposedly they aren't as reliable as the XQD cards (or at least that's what I've heard from hearsay)?

No the cards aren't larger. They're faster...a lot faster. But they're not cheap. 128gb card is anywhere from 200-250 bucks.

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[waday]

No the cards aren't larger.

 

[scaryloud]

No the cards aren't larger.

I meant capacity.

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[shadowlands]

I still want one... I want the Z6, but not now. Have what I need currently, so no rush. I'll buy one used in a couple years with the adapter. Boom!

 

[Designer]

Only one card slot is surprising. But, aren't XQD cards larger? So, if they were to include two XQD cards, they'd need to make it larger overall (which they probably didn't want to do).

That was the reason given, which proves that the overriding design decisions were not made for functionality, but rather to make the physical size comparable to the Sony offerings.

Which shows where Nikon's priorities lie.

 

[Destin]

Only one card slot is surprising. But, aren't XQD cards larger? So, if they were to include two XQD cards, they'd need to make it larger overall (which they probably didn't want to do).

That was the reason given, which proves that the overriding design decisions were not made for functionality, but rather to make the physical size comparable to the Sony offerings.

Which shows where Nikon's priorities lie.

Which is a shame, honestly.

I would *love* a mirrorless camera’s increased tech with the size and form factor of my D810

 

[greybeard]

Nikon: "Let's take the sensor tech from the D850 and put it in one camera. Then we'll take the sensor tech from the D750 and put it into the other camera. But wait, there's more! Now let's take the stuff people really hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras and incorporate them into both new camera bodies! Let's make sure we charge the same as the D850 and more than the D750 when we launch them!"

One card slot?! Not only that but it's XQD?! 128gb card = $200+...and you get to buy an external card reader! "Hey, my memory card died during this wedding shoot! No worries, I have my bac---" NOPE! Look, I would pay more for the XQD cards (not gleefully) if there were 2 slots. I have an XQD card in my D500. But I gotta stack of SD and CF cards already (about $1200 in value give or take), to render them obsolete would take a better camera than the Z6 or Z7 currently are.

FTZ adapter. Works great with G lenses. D lenses, no autofocus. Seems like no big deal, unless you're shooting rapid fire or don't have the best eyesight. Oh, and may or may not work with 3rd party lenses.

Buffer on the Z7...complete fail! Why so? Because XQD cards are SUBSTANTIALLY faster than SD, yet Nikon doesn't increase the buffer internally to take advantage of it at all!

Look, I'm a looooong time Nikon user, but there is no excuse for these flaws. If it were 2012 and Nikon was trend setting like Sony did, no problem...minus the single card slot. But no. They aren't blazing any paths. Most would agree Nikon and Canon are WAY behind the power curve in the mirrorless game.

Sure the autofocus system is great, but still not breaking any new ice. They've smoothed out video focusing as well, about freakin' time. Canon, Sony and Panasuckit figured out how to do it years ago.

4k video uses cropped frame on the sensor for 1:1 ratio.

About the only things Nikon got right were the grip, the touch screen, and the battery (en-el15b)...just not the battery life (330 shots?). Those new lenses look...eh, rushed really.

I expected soooo much more considering the technology that's already out there. Good news is my D810 and D500 will be holding their value for a while longer so far as I can tell.

What say you???

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Don't hold back, tell us what you think! Panasuckit....lol

 

[goodguy]

I was eagerly waiting for the Nikon Mirrorless, I preordered the Z6...……..and I am not going to get it, reason I wanted Nikon mirrorless was because as a wedding photographer and videographer I needed a hybrid camera that can do both well, sadly due to the lack of a second card I cant use this camera for professional work but I would like to point few thing.
1.This is a first gen camera, look at the Canon R, it too is far from being a perfect camera, the Sony A7III is so much better but then its a 3 gen camera. I think for a first Gen camera the Z7/Z6 are impressive cameras. Only few months ago everybody said the D850 is the best camera and it would be perfect if it had a good video follow focus, this was always Nikon's Achillies Heel, now that Nikon has good video follow focus it still gets bad press, I need to remind everybody progress takes time and like it or not we need to be patient.
I am waiting for the Z6II which will probably come out in few years, be patient people, Rome wasn't build in one day and considering its their first gen the Z6/Z7 are good cameras but of course far from being perfect.
If I didn't need it for pro work I believe I would get the Z6.
And one last thing, the Z6 sensor is NOT the D750 sensor, its not same MP, not same technology, the Z6 is a BSI sensor and is a totally new sensor.

 

[pixmedic]

because Sony totally nailed the absolutely perfect A7I, and Fuji's X-T1/X-Pro1 has never needed improving....
also, sony and fuji dont have an already establish line of other cameras (regular DSLR's) to worry about.
.people complaining for years that nikon./canon arent making mirrorless camera options, then complain when they do. theres just no pleasing some people.

the Z6 and Z7 are probably great cameras. they just dont have every single feature that every single person wants.
if i was still in with Nikon i would definitely consider picking up a Z6