NSFW: What exactly are the laws regarding shooting teens nude?

unpopular · Jul 28, 2012

slackercruster said:
Someone said that the punishment for killing a boy was only half that for the punishment for photographing him nude with an erection. Crazy isn't it?

Off topic, but there is an Abbie Hoffman quote that goes along the lines of "You get life for selling dope to a minor but only 10 years for manslaughter, so if you're selling to a kid and the cops come, shoot the kid real quick"

:lol:

slackercruster · Jul 28, 2012

MTVision said:
unpopular said:

In general, as far as I know (and I am not an attorney or have otherwise any special training in this legal matter) so long as the model isn't engaged in a sexually explicit manner then it is protected. However, what "sexually explicit" entails is so highly variable from person to person, religion to religion, culture to culture, it's almost impossible to know if you've crossed that line. I believe in one case, Mann perhaps, the judge concluded that pornography was something "he knew when he saw it".

Some people who are very conservative would say any form of nudity is sexual by it's nature, and society as a whole has a "better to lock up a person for child porn than risk a pedophile on the street" kind of attitude. It's just not worth even approaching, IMO, unless you are a making specific statement which cannot be done any other way - then you need to ask yourself how dedicated you are to this project, because it is very possible that it will blow up into a huge deal. If you've just found a pretty, 16 year old model whom you want to photograph nude, OTOH, forget it.

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"he knew when he saw it"

^ that right there would make me think twice about every doing any type of nude photography with someone underage. What that one person considers pornography may differ completely from someone else.

I posted a picture of my daughter on my private FB account - she was naked but you couldn't see anything below the waist. She was flipping me off in the picture and it was funny IMO - especially since she doesn't know what she was doing. I didn't find it inappropriate in any way, shape or form but I got PM's from people and comments about the picture. She's 2! It's not like I took a nude shot of a 17yo girl or something. But that just goes to show that what people consider appropriate/inappropriate varies so much.

Someplace, somewhere it would be called kiddy porn.

My wife does it all the time with just suggestive or nude non sexual pictures of kids in these Aperture books. And by suggestive I mean almost nothing. Like a young girl in a bathing suit with her breasts 'just' starting to protrude and a smallish nipple marking her suit. Breasts and nipple are not seen, just the bare outline. Can't post it here due to their rules, but it is a work by a well known tog.

I tell her, that is not kiddy porn, it is just a young girl in swimsuit with some nippy showing through. But wife has her own ideas.

Another pix by the same artisit shows a couple young girls on the couch. One is spralled out like hell over the other one. I have a copy of it in my room. What I like about it is the posture of the girl. Very freaky. Not sexual, just freaky posture. Wife says it is suggestive.

Wife would make a tough judge...suggestive...kiddy porn...20 years!

unpopular · Jul 28, 2012

slackercruster said:
Wife would make a tough judge...suggestive...kiddy porn...20 years!

Once I was looking at grown up porn, and found a video of a girl of "questionable" age wearing a bikini touching her breasts. I kind of wondered if she were underage, would this be kiddie porn?

Another example is when I was about 16, my buddy had a joke he used to play with some our close female friends. He'd ask "how do you scare a bee", and then grab her chest and exclaim "BOO BEE!". If one of us videotaped this, would it be kiddie porn, or just normal risqué shenanigans?

Often times we associate pornography with nudity rather than with sexuality, but I think that the sexual nature of pornographic media is what makes something pornographic, not so much the nudity. However, nudity can be measured while "sexually suggestive" cannot.

Tee · Jul 28, 2012

OP: are you just curious or are you about to photograph something questionable?

jake337 · Jul 28, 2012

How old is 15, really?

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Kazooie · Jul 28, 2012

Well I know a LOT of underage sex offenders then. :lol:

Also, for the record, a pedophile is someone who loves children who haven't hit puberty yet, it is an ephibophile who loves teenagers.

jake337 · Jul 28, 2012

Where are all the Gypsies at?

JAC526 · Jul 28, 2012

Are you wondering if it is legal or if it is morally right?

I do not think it is morally right. However, to each his own.

On the other hand whether or not its legal....who knows. Probably depends on each individual state.

MTVision · Jul 28, 2012

Kazooie said:
Well I know a LOT of underage sex offenders then.

Also, for the record, a pedophile is someone who loves children who haven't hit puberty yet, it is an ephibophile who loves teenagers.

You forgot hebephilia which is a sexual preference for those in the early years of puberty....

Kazooie · Jul 28, 2012

MTVision said:
Kazooie said:

Well I know a LOT of underage sex offenders then.

Also, for the record, a pedophile is someone who loves children who haven't hit puberty yet, it is an ephibophile who loves teenagers.

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You forgot hebephilia which is a sexual preference for those in the early years of puberty....

Oh, I hadn't heard of that one before!

Either way, my opinion (morally) is that I have no problems with it, as long as everyone involved is fine and dandy.

unpopular · Jul 29, 2012

uhm. you're ok with pedo/hebe/ephipheliac activities, child pornography or nonsexual nude photos of kids? Because there is a huge difference between all three.

pixmedic · Jul 29, 2012

unpopular said:
uhm. you're ok with pedo/hebe/ephipheliac activities, child pornography or nonsexual nude photos of kids? Because there is a huge difference between all three.

I dont think thats quite what kazooie meant. hopefully. I think he just meant the "art" part of it. not the sexual pervert parts.

unpopular · Jul 29, 2012

The way I feel about parental consent, at least of very young children, is that parents have an obligation to protect their children's privacy and that parents should take a more conservative route with this. I am not saying that under no circumstance a parent should not consent to their children being photographed in the nude, but very careful consideration should be considered about validity and importance of the artist's intent and the cultural environment which the child lives. A child "wanting to" to do something may mean that he or she genuinely wants to participate, or it may mean that the child is "wanting to" impress or conform to the wishes of adults around him or her.

Naturally teens are a little bit different since they loose their interest in impressing adults. But for our very young children, I think it's better to be conservative when preserving their rights. My wife and I actually have a strict "no commercial advertising" policy with the use of our child's image.