Officers Detain Man For Taking Pictures

[Butter Jeweler]

I wish the patriot act would burn in hell ! I hate George Bush for making it happen and I can't stand anyone who thinks it's ok to take away civil liberties because of it.
someday I'll tell ya how I really feel. <grinning>

Funny, we haven't had any serious incidents since it went into effect and can't name one single time myself or ANYONE I know has EVER been had a loss of any civil liberties as a result of it. In any way. Maybe I have just been very fortunate.....? We live in an entitlement country though where people think that they personally have to approve every change that happens and that we are entitled to do and say as we please as part of looney interpretations of our rights. Sometimes change for the greater good of the nation means more than the individual, I certainly won't feel as though my rights have been trampled on if I am told I can't shoot a picture.... Geesh!

 

[Village Idiot]

I wish the patriot act would burn in hell ! I hate George Bush for making it happen and I can't stand anyone who thinks it's ok to take away civil liberties because of it.
someday I'll tell ya how I really feel. <grinning>

Funny, we haven't had any serious incidents since it went into effect and can't name one single time myself or ANYONE I know has EVER been had a loss of any civil liberties as a result of it. In any way. Maybe I have just been very fortunate.....? We live in an entitlement country though where people think that they personally have to approve every change that happens and that we are entitled to do and say as we please as part of looney interpretations of our rights. Sometimes change for the greater good of the nation means more than the individual, I certainly won't feel as though my rights have been trampled on if I am told I can't shoot a picture.... Geesh!

So what you're saying is that you'd like to move to Russia or the UK? If you don't like the principles that my country was founded on, there are plenty of other places for you to live where the government will be more than happy to tell you how to live your life.

 

[Village Idiot]

"The MTA admits the officers were in error."

'nuff said, they'll work it out.

Yeah, you said it. I wish others would realize this point and not go off the deep end thinking cops are a different breed of person, we all make mistakes and at least in this case they are admitting and hopefully learning from this.

Did you even read the article?

The ACLU says it’s been working with the MTA on this very issue for five years, with no satisfactory result.

Sounds like they'll certainly work it out.

Or what about the recent incident where the guy his a card in his mouth when police crushed his phone trying to destroy video he took of them shooting a suspect dead moments earlier? One article reported that there were only 4 bystanders hit. Police are definitely a different breed. A person who enforces laws and has the permission and ability to use deadly force should definitely be held to a higher standard than your average citizen.

Eyewitness to Miami Beach shooting alleges police misconduct - CNN

 

[fwellers]

It's one thing to have laws but another to enforce it. Sadly, these bad enforcers are people whose intelligence never graduated from high school. They are given the authority but really don't have the wisdom to execute it correctly.

And it's not just cops. You can find such idiots in most US government agencies. DMV, social security office etc. Hell I got yield at by a volunteer staff while taking photos of cars at a public car show!

The building I work in has IBM as another tenant. I was walking around the parking garage shooting pics one day, and a guy presented himself as "IBM SECURITY" and wanted to know what I was doing taking pictures of "his" facility. I was matter of fact that it's a public place and he can't stop me. He tried to give me all the standard crap, and when he saw I wasn't intimidated he stormed off cussing, telling me that I am what's wrong with this country etc...
How much you wanna bet he'd applied and been rejected for every law enforcment agency around here. :thumbdown::thumbdown:

Technically, if you don't have permission from the people in the building and you're walking around in a parking garage, you can be told to leave. Parking garages are generally private property.

Well I happen to work in that building too, so they can't kick me out. They don't have a policy against photography on the property. There is one I'm sure for the inside of the workspaces, but not for the general public accessible areas outside.

 

[fwellers]

I wish the patriot act would burn in hell ! I hate George Bush for making it happen and I can't stand anyone who thinks it's ok to take away civil liberties because of it.
someday I'll tell ya how I really feel. <grinning>

Funny, we haven't had any serious incidents since it went into effect and can't name one single time myself or ANYONE I know has EVER been had a loss of any civil liberties as a result of it. In any way. Maybe I have just been very fortunate.....? We live in an entitlement country though where people think that they personally have to approve every change that happens and that we are entitled to do and say as we please as part of looney interpretations of our rights. Sometimes change for the greater good of the nation means more than the individual, I certainly won't feel as though my rights have been trampled on if I am told I can't shoot a picture.... Geesh!

I couldn't disagree more on pretty much all counts.
I want proof positive and very limited scope for each and every iota of right that they strip away. The patriot act is a disgusting vile piece of paper as far as I'm concerned. It does one thing. It gives power to the govt to make their lives easier. The quote unquote war on terror is NEVER EVER going to end. To give our govt wartime powers based on a war that's never going to end, is logically the same as burning the constitution.

 

[o hey tyler]

I wish the patriot act would burn in hell ! I hate George Bush for making it happen and I can't stand anyone who thinks it's ok to take away civil liberties because of it.
someday I'll tell ya how I really feel. <grinning>

Funny, we haven't had any serious incidents since it went into effect and can't name one single time myself or ANYONE I know has EVER been had a loss of any civil liberties as a result of it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[fwellers]

Obvious troll is obvious.

for sure unwarrented comment for sure.

 

[Village Idiot]

The building I work in has IBM as another tenant. I was walking around the parking garage shooting pics one day, and a guy presented himself as "IBM SECURITY" and wanted to know what I was doing taking pictures of "his" facility. I was matter of fact that it's a public place and he can't stop me. He tried to give me all the standard crap, and when he saw I wasn't intimidated he stormed off cussing, telling me that I am what's wrong with this country etc...
How much you wanna bet he'd applied and been rejected for every law enforcment agency around here. :thumbdown::thumbdown:

Technically, if you don't have permission from the people in the building and you're walking around in a parking garage, you can be told to leave. Parking garages are generally private property.

Well I happen to work in that building too, so they can't kick me out. They don't have a policy against photography on the property. There is one I'm sure for the inside of the workspaces, but not for the general public accessible areas outside.

That's entirely wrong. You work in a building that some one else owns, they can kick you out at any time. And the accessible areas are still private property. You can shoot anything you want from the sidewalk outside of your building, but once you set foot onto that property, they can tell you to stop photographing and leave if they want to.

 

[fwellers]

Technically, if you don't have permission from the people in the building and you're walking around in a parking garage, you can be told to leave. Parking garages are generally private property.

Well I happen to work in that building too, so they can't kick me out. They don't have a policy against photography on the property. There is one I'm sure for the inside of the workspaces, but not for the general public accessible areas outside.

That's entirely wrong. You work in a building that some one else owns, they can kick you out at any time. And the accessible areas are still private property. You can shoot anything you want from the sidewalk outside of your building, but once you set foot onto that property, they can tell you to stop photographing and leave if they want to.

Well, like I said, the security wannabe that I was talking to worked for IBM, who is another tenant in the building. They CANNOT kick me out or dictate any policy to me. I also said that to my knowledge there is no policy against photography by the building owners.

 

[Butter Jeweler]

I couldn't disagree more on pretty much all counts.
I want proof positive and very limited scope for each and every iota of right that they strip away. The patriot act is a disgusting vile piece of paper as far as I'm concerned. It does one thing. It gives power to the govt to make their lives easier. The quote unquote war on terror is NEVER EVER going to end. To give our govt wartime powers based on a war that's never going to end, is logically the same as burning the constitution.

Have you actually even read the Patriot Act or are you just regurgitating sound bites? I saw a lot of conjecture in your answer but no fact, would you care to provide some actual details concerning your point?

 

[Butter Jeweler]

So what you're saying is that you'd like to move to Russia or the UK? If you don't like the principles that my country was founded on, there are plenty of other places for you to live where the government will be more than happy to tell you how to live your life.

Wow.....lol

You stretched that about as far as it could be without actually discerning any logical points. I think you have failed to do your homework and are shooting from the hip. There are MANY laws in place in this country to provide for safety of its citizenry, limiting your ability to be a free radical with limitless abilities would be asinine. Is the fact you are prohibited by law from stealing, murdering, etc infringing on your civil liberties? Did you think that after 9-11 nothing would change? Do you think there is any reason things shouldn't have changed? Do you really KNOW the the details of the principles this country was founded on that you are trying to defend? Listen kid, you have to bring grown-up conversation to a grown-up conversation.... Read a few more books and listen to a little less opinion-news.

Mistakes will happen and some individuals will exceed the limits of their boundaries, this happens in every walk of life. The actions of a few do not set the precedence of the many. Become a Lawyer and go after the "specific" individuals you have the issue with and try and limit the generalizations....

 

[o hey tyler]

I couldn't disagree more on pretty much all counts.
I want proof positive and very limited scope for each and every iota of right that they strip away. The patriot act is a disgusting vile piece of paper as far as I'm concerned. It does one thing. It gives power to the govt to make their lives easier. The quote unquote war on terror is NEVER EVER going to end. To give our govt wartime powers based on a war that's never going to end, is logically the same as burning the constitution.

Have you actually even read the Patriot Act or are you just regurgitating sound bites? I saw a lot of conjecture in your answer but no fact, would you care to provide some actual details concerning your point?

In your post, you stated that you couldn't site one instance in which the patriot act has infringed upon civil liberties.

Did you read the first post? The officers CITED (albeit incorrectly) the Patriot Act. What more do you need? This probably happens on the daily. Law enforcement citing "Oh the patriot act restricts you from taking photos of that bridge, you could be a terrorist."

Audit: FBI's Patriot Act snooping broke rules - CNN

FBI Employees Face Criminal Probe Over Patriot Act Abuse

2600 NEWS: PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL

 

[fwellers]

I don't even think Congress read the patriot act. If you remember, it was pretty much shoved down their throat to sign at the 11th hour. I know enough to understand that it allows the feds to proceed with spying on Americans and various other suspencions of civil rights, pretty much unchecked. Where they used to have to get court approval for things, the don't require it anymore, or at most only after the fact.
I have heard enough stories and understand enough to know that the feds now have a lot of power that they weren't designed to have except in time of war ( temporary ). Do I have to be a constitutional scholar to have an opinion on this without being accused of being a puppet ?

 

[Butter Jeweler]

Do I have to be a constitutional scholar to have an opinion on this without being accused of being a puppet ?

NO you don't but it would be appreciated that you stated all the facts when making accusations. What I have an issue with is this, you said "It does one thing. It gives power to the govt to make their lives easier." Does it? Is that ALL it is about? I think there is much you are leaving out and I just don't buy the "the government is only out to get us" lines....

I will say this, I fight against the government on almost every single time I can when I don't think they speak for us, think for us, act on behalf of us or even care about us. I think they want to bleed us dry, one tax dollar at a time. I think they want to tell us when and where to practice religion and virtually every other freedom that we are entitle under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.. I think the fat suits in Washington would have us all on modern day reservations given the ability. I think we elect hypocrites that have nothing but self serving interests in mind.

That being said, I think the Patriot Act in all of its shortfalls, has provided very useful tools to enable the Military and Law Enforcement to protect us these years since 9-11. We have not had a single outside intrusion on this nation costing the lives of our friends and family since that day. The Constitution is not even a perfect document for everyone, it is imperfect to some and will never make everyone happy, but it does speak for the majority and is what this nation was founded on and the very premise I "try" and build my morals as an American around. You have heard the term "Freedom isn't Free"? There are some ugly things that happen to keep us safe everyday. If you have ever served in our Armed Forces you will attest to the fact that sometimes things get "dirty".

I was simply trying to state that this issue is not as black and white as it is sometimes described and a lot of the time it is portraid that way due to a lack of complete understanding in the article itself. My statements were not being used to insult or belittle anyone but to point out there are things that happen much deeper behind the scenes than us "little people" get to see.

 

[Village Idiot]

So what you're saying is that you'd like to move to Russia or the UK? If you don't like the principles that my country was founded on, there are plenty of other places for you to live where the government will be more than happy to tell you how to live your life.

Wow.....lol

You stretched that about as far as it could be without actually discerning any logical points. I think you have failed to do your homework and are shooting from the hip. There are MANY laws in place in this country to provide for safety of its citizenry, limiting your ability to be a free radical with limitless abilities would be asinine. Is the fact you are prohibited by law from stealing, murdering, etc infringing on your civil liberties? Did you think that after 9-11 nothing would change? Do you think there is any reason things shouldn't have changed? Do you really KNOW the the details of the principles this country was founded on that you are trying to defend? Listen kid, you have to bring grown-up conversation to a grown-up conversation.... Read a few more books and listen to a little less opinion-news.

Mistakes will happen and some individuals will exceed the limits of their boundaries, this happens in every walk of life. The actions of a few do not set the precedence of the many. Become a Lawyer and go after the "specific" individuals you have the issue with and try and limit the generalizations....

Try use some common sense here. I realize that might be hard for you. Laws making it illegal to harm others are drastically different from laws saying that you can't do something that causes harm to no one and should be perfectly legal. So you're also not going to cry foul when you're told you have to be in doors at 10:00PM every night? You're not going to care when some one is given the right to search you whenever they feel like it? How about when you're subject to random searches of your home because at some point you may be housing something illegal? I mean, it's for the good of the nation after all.

And "the actions of a few" is quickly becoming the actions of many. Do you not watch the news or keep up on current events. If you had any idea of what was going on you'd see that simple rights violations like this happen frequently and what happens when we let people in authority get away with violating our rights? It makes them think that it's ok for them to keep doing it. Like I said, if you don't like the fact that the ordinary citizen in the US has the ability to stand up for his rights and question authority, then there are other places you can live.