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Oh boy...first Photoshoot.

I would add:

Money back guarantee for the first job. If they can't use the results, then you don't charge them.

That way, even if you're in over your head, drowning can be a learning experience for you, and at cost to them.
BAD plan! Just opens the door to all sorts of "They're not good enough, but if you reduce the price" complaints from the client.
 
MrPie, I applaud you for the decision. It's takes fortitude to set pride aside as you have done. Keep practicing and stay around here and learn. You have shown a great attitude despite all that has been thrown at you in this thread. :clap::clap::clap:

It was tough and i felt like crap when i read those comments but i knew i was probably getting myself into a mess. I'm going to keep practicing and find some students who need photos taken for free. Best way to move on and up.

At least you saved yourself from having to chop off all those pretty girls' heads.

I already saw some pictures on their website of heads chopped off.


http://puu.sh/3an5H.jpg

(MrPie, TPF does not permit the posting of images to which the poster does not hold rights/permission; I've changed it to a link for you)

So yeah... :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Well, if that's a sample of the sort of work they're using, I would stay away from it even if you were an expert. Why? Because in my experience, the the poorer the quality work a company uses, the more they complain. I have a feeling if you had taken this on you would have walked out owing them money. As Ron said, I applaud your decision to walk away!

So... having sorted that out, doing a bang-up job of images like this isn't terribly difficult, once you've practiced it and developed a system. What you want (or what they were trying to acheive I think) was what is known as high-key lighting. That is, a bright, clean, shadow-free image on a white background. The ideal set-up for this consists of a roll of white seamless paper on a background stand, three lights, three lightstands and one large soft-box and lots of room. To shoot full-body high-key I would want at least a 20' deep space.

Position your background against the far wall and bring your paper out at least 10' so that it has a gentle curve and then meets the floor, laying flat for at least 5' (all distances approximate). Tape the paper down with white gaffer's tape and then position one light on either side of the paper pointing at the opposite side of the background (ie, the light on the right is pointed at the left side of the paper and vice-versa) and at a distance and hieght so that they illuminate the whole background. Make sure that you have enough paper on the floor so that your model will be at least 2-3' in front of these lights, and use reflectors, gobos or whatever to ensure that no light spills toward the model.

Mark a point in the middle of the paper a couple of feet back from the front edge for your model to stand, and then figure out where you need to stand to get the right perspective at whatever focal length you are using. Mark your spot with a piece of tape. Now, position your third light just to the right or left of where you're going to stand facing the model and at a height so that it's pointing slightly down, say 10-15 off of vertical (this is your key or main light).

Now, using either light meter, or a stand-in model (both preferably), set your key light so that it gives you the exposure you want at 1/200 and f8 (or whatever aperture/SS you like, those are nice, safe, generic numbers) and your base ISO. Once you've got that dialed in, then set your background lights so that they are 1/3 - 1/2 stop brighter.

Now you can bring them in assembly-line style. "Stand on the 'X' please, face the light, head up, chin out..." *click* *click* *click*, turn to your left please... repeat. Next!" With a little practice and the right gear (which does NOT have to cost a lot) you can set this up in 10-15 minutes and turn out images that will literally need less than a minute of post-processing each.
 
And John just gave you a full day training session for free and it didn't take all day. Thanks John
 
^^^don't bill me for it. I'm just reading, learning and commenting on it. ;)
 
Wall of very useful text!

I think i found my perfect site for learning photography. That was awesome advise.

I guess i just found another reason for staying away from them, thanks (again). ;)


This is there set location. I know someone was asking for lights and i forgot to mention that they were on the umbrella. As you can see the place is SMALL No more than 3 meters long.

Set - Imgur

Just curious now, what would you guys do if you were given this kind of place to do a photoshoot?
 
Those look like continous lights; definitely NOT the best option for shooting people. Very low light output (even though they appear bright) and they tend to get hot over time (hence the nickname 'hotlights'). Looks like a very mickey-mouse operation to me. You could definitely make a 10' space work, but it would be a challenge - if I felt that the client was reasonable, and was someone I could work with, I'd do the job, probably tape white seamless to the wall, light the subject and deal with the background in post (which I would explain at the consult. and would cost them more).
 
Me, If I saw that setup i'd as to do the shoot at my house where I had the room to work. With my own gear.
 
I would add:

Money back guarantee for the first job. If they can't use the results, then you don't charge them.

That way, even if you're in over your head, drowning can be a learning experience for you, and at cost to them.

BAD plan! Just opens the door to all sorts of "They're not good enough, but if you reduce the price" complaints from the client.

Perhaps. But he would also (have) gained valuable experience. A better plan is of course to hold off and learn more. But sometimes those avenues for learning are not so available. By doing the day's work, he'd almost certainly have not been paid, and they wouldnt use the images. But the process of getting to that point would have been valuable. IE, how to feel your way through that kind of negotiation.

Either way, respect is due for recognizing when to back away.
 

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