Ok this is just sick and wrong (warning)

[Ruining]

Then those women have severe self esteem/self worth problems, and need to get themselves some help with the way they view themselves.

Okay. I agree. Normally I would take this on, but I'm still too new here to be on the losing side of a debate like this. I'm not here to be disliked.:hug::

 

[Rob]

At least when someone brandishes such a laughable document at you, you are in no uncertain terms that they are a FREAK and it's time to RUN!!!

Rob

 

[Corry]

At least when someone brandishes such a laughable document at you, you are in no uncertain terms that they are a FREAK and it's time to RUN!!!

Rob

Sad thing is, there really are women who have a low enough view of themselves that they have allowed themselves to be in relationships like this one. Not always as extreme as this one (though I'm sure there are some), but not good in any respect. I work directly with women and kids in these situations at my other job. It can be heartbreaking.

 

['Daniel']

I agree with Ruining here. It's all to do with perspective. There is nothing wrong with this. Nothing is being forced. It seems much to me akin to bondage. Some people have preferences for that kind of thing. I they enjoy it then good for them.

I think it's ridiculous and this mans view is obviously one of women are sex objects.

To be honest this is a extreme version of most mens hopes in general. I don't think anyone can deny that.

 

[jocose]

I personally think this is just ludicris (SP). I mean, yea, he's got a right to create this document and ask his future wife to sign it, but come on? Who in their right mind would? Interestingly, though, she never signed it, but is still his wife--I wasn't clear if this contract was intended for her to sign BEFORE they got married or if he gave it to her afterwards...if before, why on earth would she have agreed to marry him?

Corry, I have to disagree with you. I know several women who like to be submissive and be dominated, and they don't have low self-esteem at all. Actually, it's quite the opposite...they spend most of their day being the boss, barking orders, and generally being in charge. They enjoy the opportunity of letting go of responsibility and no longer having to have the burden of control.

(Just for the record, I'm not into that...I like equality in relationships--I think it should be a pretty even amount of give-and-take, but I'm a bit old-fashioned and vanilla that way )

Thanks for posting this, Mommy...made me laugh (and the sadness of others).

 

[MommyOf4Boys]

In all fairness to this woman, she was SMART! She obviously found it to be just as disturbing as most of us and handed it over to the police. This man was obviously not in his right mind, because this all came about because of his attempt/succession of kidknapping his wife.

 

[jocose]

In all fairness to this woman, she was SMART! She obviously found it to be just as disturbing as most of us and handed it over to the police. This man was obviously not in his right mind, because this all came about because of his attempt/succession of kidknapping his wife.

So they were married BEFORE the contract? OK, then I don't think she's as much an idiot as I thought...he could have changed or hid his insanity before they got married (my ex was good at hiding her mental problems until it was too late).

 

[airgunr]

This is just sick and wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[captblue1]

its says she didn't sign it, doesn't say anything about her following it. and you never know she might have liked it. someone on the radio the other day was talking about it and a bunch of people called in and said they do things like this. it was S&M. they were saying both sides get satisfaction from it. i would never do it, but there are poeple who would say the same about some things i do. the kidnapping and child porn is ALWAYS wrong nomatter who you ask.

 

[wolfepakt]

THis is not to different from some of the things that go on in the area in which I live.....

Have ya'll ever heard of Warren Jeffs? (He is a ploygamist down here in southern UT/Northern AZ) They expect their women to act some of the same ways. When ya'll were down here in Zion you might have seen some of them in the grocery stores....... In their puritan dresses and stuff.

 

[photogoddess]

I read that yesterday...that guy is seriously twisted. He reminds me of my best friends EX-husband.uke-rig:

Well, he is adopted so they could be related.


Submissive is one thing but this is extreme. In a true dom/sub relationship, it is the sub that holds the power. This 'contract' is almost completely one sided to his benefit. If you read it thoroughly you'll notice that he states that once she commits to something and experiences pain in the middle of it, she couldn't protest without consequences. This guy is one sick pup.

 

[jocose]

Well, he is adopted so they could be related.


Submissive is one thing but this is extreme. In a true dom/sub relationship, it is the sub that holds the power. This 'contract' is almost completely one sided to his benefit. If you read it thoroughly you'll notice that he states that once she commits to something and experiences pain in the middle of it, she couldn't protest without consequences. This guy is one sick pup.

I caught that too...it's ok if you KNOW it's gonna cause pain, but your screwed (no pun intended) if you didn't realize it before hand...that's f'ed up!

 

[Ruining]

Well, he is adopted so they could be related.


Submissive is one thing but this is extreme. In a true dom/sub relationship, it is the sub that holds the power. This 'contract' is almost completely one sided to his benefit. If you read it thoroughly you'll notice that he states that once she commits to something and experiences pain in the middle of it, she couldn't protest without consequences. This guy is one sick pup.

I disagree about it being one sided any more than a "normal" bdsm relationship. In a "normal" bdsm relationship, they both hold the same amount of power. They need each other to make this work.

As for the protest once she signed, I must have missed that part. To me it looked like, she could let him know if it was causing her pain, and even if he was causing her to lose sleep, she could ask him to lay off.

 

[Ruining]

I agree with Ruining here. It's all to do with perspective. There is nothing wrong with this. Nothing is being forced. It seems much to me akin to bondage. Some people have preferences for that kind of thing. I they enjoy it then good for them.

I think it's ridiculous and this mans view is obviously one of women are sex objects.

To be honest this is a extreme version of most mens hopes in general. I don't think anyone can deny that.

+1. Well put.

And jocose, I agree with you that many women who like to be involved in this kind of activity are successful women that want a different love/home life than work life.

As long as it's consentual and it doesn't involve children or animals, its fair game. People with self-esteem issues don't enjoy this stuff. They do it so that they can feel loved. But MANY healthy people enjoy this stuff. ( like an ex of mine) So I have experience from a different viewpoint. Again, nothing as extreme as this, but if I had married her, I could see her wanting this kind of thing.

 

[photogoddess]

I'm not going to debate the power scale in that type of relationship. I recommend you do some reading on the subject if you're really interested though. There are healthy people that participate in all kinds of different things and many of them do have submission contracts. To each his own. If you read the intro to this contract story, this all came to light due to his trying to kidnap his wife. Kidnapping is NOT part of the bdsm lifestyle because it's all about consent. There were also some child porn allegations. This guy is an abuser that hides behind the bdsm mask and that makes him a bonafide sicko.